Do-It-Yourself Payphones or Netphones? 37
Controlio asks: "With the explosion of cell phones, pay phones are disappearing quickly. I work in a large sports venue that seats over 60,000 - but has only 5 pay phones. The problem is the rent on those 5 phones is ridiculous - we net a loss of over $150 per phone per month. Its a great convenience for the public, but it'd be cheaper for us to have people stand in the middle of the stadium with cell phones saying "here, make a call for free." We have a great deal of both telephone and internet capabilities - we're a brand new facility and have far more than adequate data and voice pipes to our building. The question, is how can one roll their own payphone service? Has anyone done this? Where can you purchase equipment? What are the technical ramifications if we want to stay basic or get complicated with things like TTY or internet phones? Does VoIP or POTS make more sense? Any advice on where to get started?"
You want a Customer Owned Coin Operated Telephone (Score:4, Informative)
A quick google search came up with this [payphoneoutlet.com]
You forgot something (Score:4, Interesting)
Since Controlio has neglected to mention how much his present setup costs before he accounts for revenue (Ask Slashdots are painfully sparse on details these days!), we don't know whether he's paying too much for his pay phones, or just not getting any revenue. I suspect he's hoping that magic technology can provide him with phone service for a nominal cost. Which is silly. A business phone line costs $60/mo or so. I doubt if you can get any kind of fixed-point connectivity, be it POTS or IP or whatever, for any less. And in most cases, probably a lot more.
Re:You forgot something (Score:2)
Businesses also generally have a wider array of providers to choose from. Any larger busness is going to be getting service via a T1 / PRI ISDN frequently direct from a CLEC or ILEC.
Bash, Smash, Crash (Score:2)
What you might consider is REDUCING the number of payphones, and putting them in easy sight of concession stands, etc, wherever your security will normally be stationed. That way they'll get more traffic per phone. And yes, it's a convenience, but cell phones have mo
Dont rent Buy! (Score:3, Interesting)
Thou I like the idea of VoIP, try to keep things simple when dealing with the public. Heck, if you really just want to play with technology, get a premade kiosk for 6K that supports VoIP and see if you turn a profit. (Thou at a stadium, who wants to surf the net when the game is on...)
Re:Dont rent Buy! (Score:1)
Pay Phone Service a necessary expenditure (Score:5, Funny)
Just think of Morpheus reaching for the phone, and there's nothing there!
PLEASE people.
Think of the Morpheuses!
Re:Pay Phone Service a necessary expenditure (Score:2)
Re:dude.... (Score:1)
Sounds plausable.
But, Google says otherwise [google.com].
Re:dude.... (Score:1)
Re:dude.... (Score:1)
Michigan Stadium seats over 100,000
Pontiac Stadium in Detriot seats over 80,000
Ben Hill Griffin Stadium in Gainville FL seats over 84,000
not that much money..... (Score:2)
Re:not that much money..... (Score:1)
Those internet VOIP kiosks (Score:1)
Federal & State Regulations (Score:3, Insightful)
Look into regulations (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, it turns out that, if you over phone service to anyone, even for free, especially long distance, guess what, you have to pay various taxes. Even if you don't make the customer pay, your still have to pay the taxes to the local and state gov'ts.
So in the end, you'll end up doing more paperwork, crapola then it's worth to setup your own phone service over your own phone lines. So your options are pay the phone company to run them for you, or pay them to provide the lines you hook up to your own phone. I'm not sure what the cost of buying a pay phone is, or what the cost of a business phone in your are is (it's about $50-75 a month here). So if you think the phones will average less then $75-$100 a month in damage, it's a win to own your own phones. If you think they will average more then that, it's a losing proposition to own your own.
Personally, if it was a fixed cost $150 a month, they have to replace damanged phones, your absolutely nuts not to take them up on it. About the only options are to not provide phones at all, or to literally let them use one of your phones, either a cell, or a land line based in an office.
Kirby
Charge extra for safety (Score:4, Funny)
1. Advertise that your pay phones don't explode
2. Charge a premium
3. PROFIT!
Payphones & Profit (Score:4, Informative)
Payphones were originally (way back) introduced so that people without a personal telephone available to them could make or receive calls from businesses or people who did. They were the 1910 equivilent of NetZero.
They never made a signifigant operating profit for the phone company, but encouraged people get an use telephones.
As a payphone owner, you should never expect to see a pay telephone as a potential profit center. You can, however, use it to steer its customers towards the concession stands selling $6 cups of sugared water and program salesmen.
Re:Payphones & Profit (Score:1)
Re:Payphones & Profit (Score:2)
moreover, the phone companies used to not only lease the payphones, but the lines in the walls as well! when the miami international airport tried to get out of its 1980s public corruption deal with their phone provider, the provider threatened to rip out the system, and of course, fed at the public trough once again. . . make no mistake, payphones wo
Work something out with one of the cell phone co's (Score:4, Interesting)
Buy them off the phone companies! (Score:2)
replace pay phones with people with cell phones? (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're joking here, but I don't really think this idea would be any cheaper. Lets say you still want to stick with 5 phones, so you've got 5 people holding those phones, waiting for takers. I'm assuming you will have a hard time finding volunteers to do this, or even people to volunteer use of their cell phones, so you're going to have to pay wages and monthly cell phone fees. Lets say minimum wage is $6.00/hr, and cell phones cost you $35.00/mo. You'll want to have these free cell phones available for most or all events at your stadium, so let's figure you have about ten 5 hour events per month.
Wages will cost you:
10 events/month * 5 hrs * $6/hr * 5 people = $1500 per month
Cell phones will cost you:
5 phones * $35/month = $175 per month.
$1500 + 175 = $1675 per month, compared to $750 that you lose per month with 5 pay phones.
Doesn't sound worth it to me.
Get some advertising revenue? (Score:3, Interesting)
Buy some of these... (Score:2, Informative)
ooooooooo looky! Some of them even come with a port for you to plug in your laptop. and some come with credit card readers to pay for calls. Options, options, options!!!!
Also try here [payphonedirect.com], here [payphone.com], here [yahoo.com] and there's always some good old Googling [google.com]!!! Good luck on your journey to payphone bli
Cell-Based Payphones? (Score:1)
Already exists (Score:2)
They already exist. I've seen devices (don't recall where, try google [google.com]) that will plug into a cell phone (not all models, buy the device and the cell phone at the same time to be sure they are compatable) and allow you to plug a normal phone into them. ie your mickey mouse phone.
I have also seen cell phone based pay phones. Not many because they cost something like a buck a minute. (It was in an area where the nearest phone line was over a mile away, a wilderness outfitters) They exist, ask your cell
Re:Cell-Based Payphones? (Score:1)
Loads of them exist - Here you go:
http://www.freedom-mobiles.co.uk/bpremicl.htm [freedom-mobiles.co.uk]
You'll probably need to find a supplier in the US, and maybe a GSM provider would be useful too ;-)
Try the office phone (Score:2)
I assume there is a normal buisness phone in some office somewhere. Just put a sign outside it that says office, and people who really need it will walk in and ask to use the phone - let them. Tell the ushers that it isn't encouraged, but those who need a phone can use the office phone.
Odds are you have a first aid station somewhere already, just give them a phone (they should have it for 911 calls anyway) and they can serve phone duty too. Just make sure long distance isn't allowed, which should be ch