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Best Bluetooth Capable Cell Phone?

Cliff posted more than 10 years ago | from the better-reception-with-gold-fillings dept.

Wireless Networking 100

masonbrown asks: "I find myself confronted with a profound decision that could significantly affect the next couple of years of my life. As an excited owner of a new Aluminum Powerbook 15-inch, I'm shopping for a Bluetooth enabled cell phone. I've checked Apple's Bluetooth Compatible Device List as a reference, and had some great initial impressions of the Sony-Ericsson T-616/T-610 phone (direct link unavailable), until I read the Amazon reviews that said the display fades in sunlight and the buttons are impossible to maneuver with human fingers. Can Slashdot readers give some feedback on what Bluetooth phones you have, how well they work with iSync, and how happy you are with your phone?"

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I'm happy with my T616 (5, Informative)

__david__ (45671) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699235)

I've got a Sony-Ericsson T-616 and I'm happy with it. Yes, the screen is not very visible in direct sunlight, but it hasn't really bugged me too much at all. I guess I don't use my phone outside too much.

I've got a Mac and a $30 bluetooth usb nub thing and the bluetooth stuff just works. I use iSync to synchronize my iCal and AddressBook with the phone and don't have any problems. I've been impressed with the how well everything seems to work together. It's pretty easy to get the pictures off with Apple's USB file browser. The camera is gimicky but it is fun to play with. :-)

As for the buttons, they seem like every other phone to me, no smaller or unusable than my old nokia. I wouldn't consider them unusable at all really...

The menus aren't quite as fast as my old nokia, but they are zippy enough to not slow me down, or annoy me. My friend has a 68i and its menus are the slowest thing on the planet. It takes a good 5 seconds to get into the address book. The T616 fixes all of that. It also has a sane way of locking the screen that doesn't erase your address book entry if you are in the wrong screen (like the 68i--which causes my friend to scream curses about once a week when he does this).

I definitely recommend it.

-David

Re:I'm happy with my T616 (0, Redundant)

dJCL (183345) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699894)

I agree that the T616 is a good phone. I've loved mine since I got it. I also use a Jabra bluetooth headset with it and voice dialing... I don't have to use the phone much at all. I've not had issues that really bug me, the keys work fine, even to play the games, the screen looks fine at most times(I hate sunlight, so I avoid that) and I love the feature set.

I'm happy with my T-610 (1)

gotjanx (655446) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702259)

I got my phone from amazon, which is offering the phone and a bluetooth headset for -100.00 (you make 100$ after rebates) for a year long contract. It supports GSM 900,1800 and 1900 networks which makes it a great plus when travelling over the world. Plus t-mobile (Its also available with ATT) plays nice about unlocking the phone for use in other countries , which is a big plus for me. Camera is fun and addictive and the reception has been decent. An attractive form factor and the nice joystick for navigation.For the price I'd say its perfect. Oh! And it syncs with iSync sooo well.

Re:I'm happy with my T616 (1)

Johnathon_Dough (719310) | more than 10 years ago | (#7708525)

Just two days ago I threw my 68i against a wall...3 times until it REALLY shattered.

That phone, combined with AT&T's GSM service was so aggravating, I came very close many times to throwing it out the window without the replacement.

It's Garbage.

Also, more on topic...
Be sure to check user reviews of the GSM cell service in your area, as my complaint was probably 75% with AT&T's GSM, more so than the phone.

You can also check out the bluetooth website [bluetooth.com] or, more specifically, the list of bluetooth phone products [bluetooth.com] they say 59 available, but many seem to be for outside the US.

Re:I'm happy with my T616 (1)

Crazy Eight (673088) | more than 10 years ago | (#7709712)

Sony-Ericsson has come out with the T-630 which is supposed to address complaints with the screen on the T-610/616. It should be hitting the market anytime.

Re:I'm happy with my T616 (1)

Hast (24833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7715425)

Alternatively there is a new Z600 clamshell version out with the same screen as T630. And that one is already out. Though both are Eu phones, no idea when/if they'll find their way to the US. (Although IIRC Z600 is triple-band, so that might work.)

Otherwise I'd recommend looking into Nokia's phones. I've just done some extensive research and it's quite clear that SE phones are top with regards to BT support. Closely followed by Nokia. Most other manyfacturers only have basic BT support. (Ie, headset and transfer files.)

Re:I'm happy with my T616 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7727416)

Alternatively there is a new Z600 clamshell version out with the same screen as T630. And that one is already out. Though both are Eu phones, no idea when/if they'll find their way to the US./i.

SE was saying Q1 2004 for a North American release of the new 600 series phones when they first released them to Europe. That may have changed, but probably only will be delayed if they are having FCC issues.

fading displays in full sun (3, Informative)

a.koepke (688359) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699237)

Amazon reviews that said the display fades in sunlight

This is actually a common problem with most of the new colour display mobile phones. I own the Nokia 6610 [nokia.com] (no bluetooth) and do experience this problem when the phone is used outdoors. I have yet to see a colour screen mobile phone that does not have problems being used in full sun.

One thing you need to look out for is there are some phones that are shipping with data-only bluetooth. So if you are planning to use a headset be careful of that. I was looking at the Nokia 7650 [nokia.com.au] at one point but decided not to get it for that reason. The specs list [nokia.com.au] contains bluetooth but I found out later it was data-only.

Bluetooth is dead (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7699255)

Didn't you get the memo? Bluetooth is dead [slashdot.org] :D

Sony Ericsson T681 (4, Informative)

jpkunst (612360) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699263)

I'm happy with my Sony Ericsson T68i [amazon.co.uk] . I use it with iSync on OS X 10.3 without problems. It's a basic phone without useless extras like a built-in camera (though you can buy an add-on camera for it, IIRC). I only use bluetooth for syncing, I don't know if you can also use a bluetooth headphone with it.

JP

Re:Sony Ericsson T681 (2, Informative)

Ibn al-Hazardous (83553) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699962)

I too have a T68i, in fact I'm posting from my iPAQ connected with the T68i. :)

It is a bit bare bones by today's standards - but OTOH it's a bit cheaper for that very reason. So if you're looking for cheap and reliable - I recommend it.

OTOH if you're looking for something with a usefull camera, don't even think about it. I have the separate camera - and it is not very usable. It is slow, yields low quality images (640X480, always blurry), and the integration sucks (eg I can't beam images from the in-cam menu, but have to transfer to the phone first).

Re:Sony Ericsson T681 (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705001)

I too have a T68i, in fact I'm posting from my iPAQ connected with the T68i. :)
Excuse me, what's your address? I just want to come over and, uh, borrow your setup.

(When I have an income again, I'm gonna get me something like this and never be offline again! That's a good thing, right?)

It is a bit bare bones by today's standards - but OTOH it's a bit cheaper for that very reason.
I think the barebones approach is the right one in any case. Indeed, even the T68i isn't barebones enough for me. I'm perfectly happy with my current PDA -- I don't need it to be merged with my cell. I just need for the two devices to do a better job of talking to each other. Let's have a separate device for each function, not one device with a hundred functions, many of which you'll never use and/or suffer from being crammed into one tiny box.

Re:Sony Ericsson T68i (1)

sobiloff (29859) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702471)

Yuck! I own one, and its the poorest phone of the seven I've owned. Most people complain about the menus being slow, but ironically that hasn't annoyed me too much. What does annoy me is the dirt-poor reception the phone gets. My girlfriend has a Motorola phone on the same network I use (AT&T's Next Generation network in the US), and she consistently gets better reception than I do. And, I'm not talking about the number of meaningless bars of signal strength the phone shows, either. I'm talking about her ability to place and receive calls when I can't. And its not just my particular phone, either; a friend got a T68i, too, and we get the same level of reception.

Another common complaint about the T68i is the joystick. It can be tricky to push straight down on it to "click" or select a menu item. The joystick will tend to push to the side instead of going down, and you'll end up having to try to select the menu item a couple of times. It gets better with practice, though, and I'm at the point where I probably only make that mistake about once a week.

Lastly, some folks have problems with their phones crashing. Mine seems to go through phases where it'll crash about once a day, but a good power on, power off, and power back on cycle seems to clear it up for a while. This doesn't work for most folks, but I've found it effective for whatever reason.

Nokia 6310i (5, Informative)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699270)


I can't recommend this thing highly enough.

It's got:

-Tri-band GSM
-bluetooth, GPRS/WAP (big deal)
-good sound quality
-great reception
-well-organized display and menu functions
-really well-designed keypad (not soft & mushy)
-good shape (fits into your hand well, very slim, easily slides into and out of your pocket, and is comfortable to talk on
-robust power connector
-no fiddly moving parts to break

In short, it's a phone. It does phone stuff, and does it well. The thing's built like a Russian tank; I have dropped it on concrete at numerous angles, gotten it wet, smacked it around and generally abused it, and like all my Nokia phones, it keeps on chugging.

Don't buy this if you want a toy (MMS, photo, cute polyphonic ringtones, fashionable shape, whatever.) But as a tool, it rocks. In fact, this phone is the best piece of industrial design I've had the pleasure of using this year.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699281)


Oh yeah, I should probably mention that

-I dunno if the 6310i is available in the US
-The phone's major problem is inability to save vcards that are SMS'ed to you.
-Just checked google, and it indicates isync & 6310i don't work, as the Nokia doesn't use SyncML.

So best ignore my original post (it's still a damn good phone, though.) Sorry.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701609)

>The phone's major problem is inability to save vcards that are SMS'ed to you. They are saved to the phone memory, not to the SIM card. If you change your address book to use the phone's memory, they should work.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

CMonk (20789) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705208)

Yes. It's available in the US. I bought mine at a AT&T Wireless store about 6 months ago. At the time it was the only phone on the market that had bluetooth and J2ME, I'm not sure if that has changed or not. In the meantime I've found that it works with _all_ my mothballed 6190 accessories and batteries, a very big bonus.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

captainkibble (725355) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699306)

I shall be upgrading my phone after Xmas but damnit I want all the things you listed and MMS, photo, cute polyphonic ringtones, fashionable shape etc. After all I need to be able to show it off to my mates in the pub. The phone I mean. Why do gimmicky toys and functionality have to be mutually exclusive? :(

Yeah I know I want the moon on a stick too. :)

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

fuzzybunny (112938) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699352)


OK, fair enough, but consider this:

What do you think will impress your buds (and chicks) more: something bright yellow with tiger stripes that plays the Stars & Stripes Forever in glorious Surround-o-Rama THX, with a pop-up 3D projection holograph screen to show your streaming nudie clips of Kylie in the shower...

...or an aloof display of studied elegance, using a tasteful accessory in a businesslike manner?

Now that I mention it, the second sounds more likely to get you respect, but the first would be pretty damn cool. Nokia are you listening? More Kylie.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

captainkibble (725355) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699577)

Knowing my mates the first one would get me much more respect. :) BTW could it play Red, White and Blue by Judas Priest instead? ;)

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701644)

I want the moon on a stick too.

What you giving us this for? Give it to Stewart Lee, he's the one who wants it.

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

nkodengar (622810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699368)

I've had one for a year now and I have been pretty satisfied with it, though I managed to break something inside it when I dropped it once and the vibrating alert rattles louder than default ringtone at maximum volume... Still its easy to turn the virbating off and it still works okay though :)
Don't buy this if you want a toy (MMS, photo, cute polyphonic ringtones, fashionable shape, whatever.)
I remember seeing on a BBC news article that it is fashionable for kids in the UK not to have the latest phone - mainly due to the failure of WAP.

Re:Nokia 6310i (3, Interesting)

earthy (11491) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699384)

I've carefully considered which phone to choose when
last upgrading. The balance between the 6310i and the
T610 was as follows:

Features they've both got:
- triband GSM
- bluetooth, gprs, wap
- good sound quality
- well organized menus
- nice shape
- no fiddly moving parts
- addressbook
- calendar

Features the 6310i is better at than the T610:
- reception
- power connector

Features the T610 is better at than the 6310i
- *will* sync with iSync, as opposed to the 6310i which will not
- higher resolution color screen
- built in toy-camera
- very much nicer ring
- smaller without getting unusable

Now, given that I live in Europe and we generally get good
reception *anyway*, I didn't really care about the reception
quality. I *do* care about the iSync compatibility though. As I carry my phone practically everywhere, that means I have my calendar with me at all times. I cannot get over how extremely useful this is. Oh, and dialling from the full
addressbook in my iBook has it's advantages as well. Nowadays I just keep the numbers of people that I actually
tend to call in my phone, making dialling from the phonebook quite a bit quicker.

If Nokia were to come out with a worthy successor to the 6310i that had roughly the same format but with a higher
resolution screen and SyncML capability... that phone would
absolutely rock and be my first choice. Unfortunately, the
T610 currently beats the 6310i on features... and it attracts more attention from women as well. (Actually, almost all other owners of T610's I've seen are women...).

Re:Nokia 6310i (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7699526)

The only real problem with Nokia phones is that they pay more attention to the sound quality of ringtones then to the sound quality of a phone conversation.

Sorry, Nokia just makes fashionable junk. The 6310i is a nice try at making something better, and if it works well for you, all the better, but Nokia completely lacks experience with makign such things, and lacks the mentallity to make and sell such items. Also, when trying it, I was not impressed at all with the sound quality of the 6310i, too much echo, and too much analog-digital-analog conversion artifacts.
THe one thing I have to agree with is that the mechanical construction of the 6310i is for once, very good.

I have a Sony-Erricson T39m for over 2 years now, and it may not have a color screen (why would I need one, that is what my bluetooth equiped PDA is for) and its ringtones are less 'nice' then the ones of modern Nokias..

But, its triband gsm, lasts almost 2 weeks on a full battery, does GPRS, bluetooth, and has a host of builtin clients for internet use. It does use an external antenna, which makes the shape less nice, but its reception is superior.

It is extremely small and light, and extremely reliable, oh, and offers a sound quality very comparable to a decent landline.

Oh, and in those 2 years, it has dropped on the floor several times, has gotten wet, and has been subject to all kinds of abuse, it shows a bit on the outside (some scratches here and there) but thats it ;P

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

ShavenYak (252902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701735)

The only real problem with Nokia phones is that they pay more attention to the sound quality of ringtones then to the sound quality of a phone conversation.

I think you have the 6310i confused with another Nokia. Its ringtones most assuredly suck, but the quality of phone conversation on it is second to none.

I have a Sony-Erricson T39m for over 2 years now, and it may not have a color screen (why would I need one, that is what my bluetooth equiped PDA is for) and its ringtones are less 'nice' then the ones of modern Nokias..

But, its triband gsm, lasts almost 2 weeks on a full battery, does GPRS, bluetooth, and has a host of builtin clients for internet use.


Huh, you just described my 6310i as well. It doesn't have a color screen, its ringtones aren't as nice as newer phones, it's triband, lasts 2 weeks on a full battery, does GPRS and Bluetooth, has builtin clients (that I never use, I also have a Tungsten T). So what was your point?

Re:Nokia 6310i (1)

illusion_2K (187951) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699981)

Agreed, I've got a 6310i myself and it's great. Definetly rock solid. You also forgot to mention the great battery it has. ;-)

Unfortunetly though, Nokia kind of fell through [securityfocus.com] on their bluetooth implementation. (i.e. don't go walking around with bluetooth enabled on it. Think wardriving for cell phones, kind of). Another poster also mentioned that it doesn't support iSync. Shame for both of those

Nokia 3650 (1)

susehat (558997) | more than 10 years ago | (#7700027)

I use it, works great with my 12" PowerBook. osx 10.3 It has phone, video, etc. I use the bluetooth mainly to transfer photos or to sync address book data. you can even sync todo list and calender. Odd keypad though. Doesn't matter to me, I never use it(phone numbers in my address books)

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

ShavenYak (252902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701813)

Yeah, I'm thinking of buying a refurb iBook or PowerBook with my Christmas bonus (yes, they do still exist, it surprised me too!). I love my 6310i, but it's not iSync compatible. It looks like the only affordable Nokias that are, have goofy keypad configurations. Why oh why do companies screw up a good thing just to be "different"? I don't think I could handle another brand, I'm on my third (or fourth?) Nokia and they just feel natural - anytime I use someone else's phone I'm lost.

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

Phexro (9814) | more than 10 years ago | (#7704568)

I think the 3650 is great (disclaimer: i have one). The keypad really isn't as bad as people make it out to be, and it has the best feature-set of any phone on the market.

And if you don't like the keypad, the 3660 [nokia.com] will be here soon.

I recently got to play with a S-E T616, and while it's a very sexy little phone, it's feature-set leaves much to be desired. It's camera's max resolution is 288x253, and it only has a couple mb of memory built-in (non-upgradable). Running J2ME applets is painfully slow.

The 3650 has 4mb built-in, and can be upgraded with a MMC card. Mine came with a 16mb card, and you can get up to 128mb. Camera is 640x480 (still not great, but better than the T616), and it's very responsive when using 3rd party apps, of which there are plenty.

Veering back on-topic... I've used both phones with a Belkin USB BT dongle with no problem whatsoever, and they were able to send stuff from one phone to the other fine as well. I don't have a BT headset (yet), so I don't know how well they perform with one.

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

ShavenYak (252902) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705728)

Well, that 3660 is a little better, I could probably live with that, especially in the silver color. I assume it'll be iSync-able?

The killer phone to me, though, would be an updated color-screen iSync-able Bluetooth-standards-compliant version of my 6310i (maybe with Symbian, although that's not a necessity) at a lower price point. I don't want to pay for a camera I'll never use - I have a 5.1MP Olympus and a 35mm SLR for taking pictures. When it comes right down to it, even the color screen is unnecessary.

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

Phexro (9814) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713105)

I don't use iSync (or a Mac, for that matter), but the 3650 speaks SyncML. Anything else which does should sync with it fine.

Re:Nokia 6310i (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7715118)

Yes, that's true - it is a very nice phone.
I know this because I work at Nokia. The guy
who was responsible for that phone (project
name "Kenny") is a genius.

t610 (1)

bjpirt (251795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699290)

I've got the t610 and it is a great phone. I use it wiht my 12" PB G4 and the combination is fantastic.
The amount of integration is amazing and the whole process is _very_ easy.
I haven't had any problems with the key sizo or the screen brightness (at least no more than other screens)

Also, you can do some really cool stuff with Salling Clicker [mac.com] which is a great (and inexpensive) piece of software

Re:t610 (1)

JHromadka (88188) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701647)

Agreed. I use the T610 with iSync for my Powerbook G4 400, and the thing works great. It doesn't mind the cold Canadian weather and even took some hits from me falling while skiing. Still trucking along. The camera sucks though.

I too have a T610... (4, Informative)

JazzManDRP (158742) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699299)

... and while the display isn't ideal, it's certainly not a problem. All it takes is holding the 'phone at a suitable angle and the display is perfectly usable; some of the higher-contrast themes also help.

The buttons I actually find nicer than many units on the market - though it is an irritation that some of the buttons' functions can't be changed from their (never-used) default.

For those Windows users who have this phone, I find floAt's Mobile Agent [xinium.com] a most useful piece of software (though occasionally buggy). A useful feature at work is the option to automatically lock and mute your machine as you leave the room (with phone). Useful for forgetful souls (like me ;)

Re:I too have a T610... (1)

include($dysmas) (729935) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699951)

same here, buttons dont take too long to get used too, the bluetooth howto that comes with mandrake is sufficient to get bluetooth going. the games + ringtones rock, Sony offer some games that use bluetooth via mophun, such as their minigolf game.

Re:I too have a T610... (1)

gsdali (707124) | more than 10 years ago | (#7715707)

As do I. I think its an excellent phone with one caveat; It's too quiet when it rings. I don't like musical ring tones so I stick with the phone's old telephone style ring ring tone. Otherwise its a great phone. Make sure whatever you choose you get something compatible with Salling Software's [mac.com] excellent Clicker [mac.com] Application. It's a collection of scripts that allow you to use your bluetooth phone to control various Apps including iTunes and Keynote. Even use the phone as a pointing device, for which the T610's joystick is very useful.

Fades in sunlight? (4, Funny)

darkpurpleblob (180550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699311)

Why would a /. reader possibly care if the display fades in sunlight?

Re:Fades in sunlight? (1, Funny)

Ske (211063) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699388)

Well some /. readers are quite bright...

Re:Fades in sunlight? (1)

darkpurpleblob (180550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699461)

Yep, my skin is quite pasty and white :)

I do own a T610, and I assure you, it does not affect the readability of the display.

Re:Fades in sunlight? (0)

Ske (211063) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699566)

I am going for the glow in the dark look myself. Excessive exposure to monitor radiation seems to help...

siemens s55 (2, Interesting)

hkon (46756) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699342)

First of all... getting married or moving to a different country significantly affects your life. Getting a phone does not.

I'm quite happy with my siemens s55. iSync finds it without any problems, and I can sync contacts, address-book and tasks to and from iCal. Haven't been able to get my iBook connected to my ISP via bluetooth, though. Of course, just because I'm not able to do it doesn't mean it's not possible :-) I also think the screen on the s55 is better than the one on the SE610, especially outdoors.

Re:siemens s55 (1)

Yrd (253300) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699561)

I've also got an S55, and it's generally good, but I have very large hands, and so sometimes I wish the buttons were a bit bigger to suit my fingers - but of course to get that the whole phone would need to be bigger, and it's actually pretty much the perfect size. Also works perfectly with my 12" 1GHz G4 Powerbook via Bluetooth, although I've not tried Internet access through it and am unlikely to unless I'm desperate due to the cost of data calls.

And it's better than my old phone, which had got to the point where button presses frequently didn't register at all.

Re:siemens s55 (1)

splattertrousers (35245) | more than 10 years ago | (#7703447)

I have an S56, which I believe is identical to the S55 except for the frequencies.

It sucks. It is a bad phone in every respect except for two: it is very small, and it has decent audio quality.

Syncing would result in duplicate (triplicate, etc.) copies of everything. Plus, you can't fit all the information in an iCal or Address Book entry into the phone's calendar or phone book, so it's pretty much worthless. (For example, if you put someone's home and business address in Address Book, only one of them shows up in the phone. And then the next time you sync, you get a new copy on your Mac that contains the person with just the address that the phone decided to keep.)

Everything else about the phone sucks too. It's just a piece of crap.

Re:siemens s55 (1)

penguinstorm (575341) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712909)

>> Syncing would result in duplicate (triplicate, etc.) copies of everything Wouldn't this be a function of your sync software? (Obviously a problem for me though: I've been looking at this phone, and would be using the same software.) >> home and business address in Address Book, only one of them shows up in the phone Ugh: I *hated* every Palm device I ever bought/used/set eyes on because of this. Have they addressed it?

Re:siemens s55 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7723235)

I can sync my ibook to an S55 via bluetooth with no problems. Works everytime. However I cannot recommend this phone! Although it is small and has great standby battery life, the firmware is dreadful. Simple operations require numerous button presses. The calender app makes such bad use of the display that it's effectively unusable. Also the keypad is 'squishy' and on some occasions it's stopped working after being 'squashed' in my front pocket. I look back on halcyon days of owning an Ericsson T28!

Review (4, Informative)

darkpurpleblob (180550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699358)

The O'Reilly Network has a review of the T610 [oreillynet.com] .

Re:Review (3, Interesting)

darkpurpleblob (180550) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699407)

Perhaps you may want to wait for the yet-to-be-released T630 [sonyericsson.com] . From the review:
The upcoming T630 model uses a Thin Film Transistor (TFT) active-matrix LCD screen that should be much easier to read in bright sunlight.

Re:Review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7796942)

Unfortunately for those of us in North America, I was told by Sony-Ericsson that the T630 is going to be a European only phone. :( It's really nice looking though.

Sony Ericsson P800/P900 (1)

bertvl (66173) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699386)

How about the Sony Ericsson P800 (or better still P900)? It is a PDA and camera too, that way you get some more meaningfull reasons for using bluetooth than only syncing phone numbers...

Re:Sony Ericsson P800/P900 (1)

biodork (25036) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699586)

....and a gigantic mega momma phone that when put in your pocket causes your pants to fall down.

These all in 1 things are not for me until they get significantly smaller/lighter.

For me Bluetooth just to sync phone numbers was worth it, and I love my T616. I haven't been bothered outside, and I have no problems with the buttons.

Re:Sony Ericsson P800/P900 (1)

juhaz (110830) | more than 10 years ago | (#7700067)

They can't get significantly smaller because then the display would be too small for the PDA-style work it has to do.

Re:Sony Ericsson P800/P900 (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7726504)

Have you used a P900? I didn't like the P800 at all because it was huge and the screen was a bit crap, but I've got a P900 now which replaced my T610 and it's hardly bigger with the flip taken off.

The functions are amazing, the screen looks great and it saves me having to take my MP3 player with me anymore too :-)

Sony Ericsson Z600 (2, Informative)

denisb (411264) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699444)

The Clamshell edition of the T610 is actually a lot better imho. It is a bit bulkier than the T610, but makes up for it with a better and bigger keypad, a much prettier exterior. Louder ringtones if needed, better screen (which supposedly is better in sunlight). Overall an excellent phone, and using it with bluetooth is a joy :)

As for the direct links to these phones, very simple :
T610 [www.sonyericsson]
Z600 [www.sonyericsson]

Re:Sony Ericsson Z600 (1)

bjpirt (251795) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702876)

not that simple it would seem...
T610 [sonyericsson.com]
Z600 [sonyericsson.com]

Re:Sony Ericsson Z600 (-1)

sbeast702 (447699) | more than 10 years ago | (#7727674)

Does anyone know the specs on the camera on this phone?

A friend of mine has the T610, and one of the things I noticed right away was the lacking picture quality, I believe at 320x120.

Nokia 6600 (1)

deja206 (711205) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699503)

The new Nokia 6600 [nokia.com] could be a good choice, too...

And here's another link: Product page [nokia.com]

Freedom becomes slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7711744)

I bet the guys and gals who made that were not models who just hover around in designer clothes drawing up Powerpoint shows explaining how their fucking vision made everything reality.

Sony T610 and Linux (2, Interesting)

Conor (2745) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699544)

Can anyone recommend good software to use with Linux and this phone? Something like Gnokii would be great, I used it with my old Nokia 6210 and found it very useful.

Re:Sony T610 and Linux (2, Informative)

G Money (12364) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701729)

You're best bet is Multisync [sourceforge.net] . It's a fantastic app that can sync phones with Evolution,LDAP directories, Palm, SyncML, Opie/Zaurus devices, and Windows CE/ME devices. I use it between my Zaurus, my company LDAP server, Evolution, and my T68i. I'm getting a Nokia 3650 soon and even though it's not completely supported yet (it uses binary ML), I'm hoping it will soon. Multisync is scheduled to be included with the main gnome distribution somewhere around the 2.6 or 2.8 timeframe but is very usable now. Give it a try.

What about Palm Bluetooth and the internet? (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699628)

I've been wondering for some time (without putting out much effort searching) which phones out there play nicely with Bluetooth enabled Palm Pilots. i'd like to be able to use the Palm Pilot to access the web and email (SSH would also be handy, but is a secondary to the others). Anyone do this currently?

Re:What about Palm Bluetooth and the internet? (1)

leshman (649160) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701903)

I currently have a SE t610 and a Tungsten T3. With this setup I can check email, browse the web, and VNC via the bluetooth connection. There is even a program similar to Trillian which will let you AOLIM, ICQ, Yahoo, and MSN messenger. Within 5 minutes of getting the phone I was up and running.

Re:What about Palm Bluetooth and the internet? (1)

ulmanms (106454) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724664)

I have a 612 & T3 and the combination works flawlessly. Mocha Telnet [mochasoft.dk] includes SSH2 (not just SSH1, which is a problem with most other clients), and is usable even though it doesn't play very well with the T3's display (menus aren't expecting b&w, from what I can tell, but the terminal itself is fine).
It's really a great combination, as I can choose whether I need just the WAP on the phone or carry the palm for those times when you need a prompt.

Re:What about Palm Bluetooth and the internet? (1)

kenneth_hk_wong (442341) | more than 10 years ago | (#7725317)

Interesting. I'm about to get a shiny new Tungsten to work with my T68i, and I'm wondering whether I will be able to get into my email that's on Outlook Web Access (OWA). The interface is very frames rich and apparently it uses something called NTML authentication. Does anyone know whether the Tungsten's browser can handle that? I suppose VNC'g to a machine that does have a full-blown browser will work but involve the transmission of LOTS of data (GPRS here, as most places, is billed on data throughput).

On an unrelated note, is it necessary to subscribe to MSN mobile to get to your hotmail with this set-up? I know its a must if you are just using the phone's WAP browser.

T68i, T630 or Z600 (4, Informative)

Bud (1705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699766)

Funny, I've just been looking for a replacement for my T39m... let's see what this discussion can bring up. Here's some highlights of my "research" to date.

If you're on a budget, look at the T68i and the Nokia N-Gage. I think they are listed at around EUR 250.

  • The T68i has a rock-steady Bluetooth implementation. It's what other phones are compared to. I've heard a lot of positive things about this phone, but on the other hand it's getting older (and cheaper!) all the time. If you feel you can survive with the limited (?) feature set, the T68i provides a lot of bang for the buck.
  • The nGage is interesting mostly because it's the cheapest Symbian-enabled phone on the market and it's got built-in audio capabilities (FM radio, MP3 playback) and official iSync support. You don't have to be a gaming addict to use it. It'll have that coolness factor for a year or so, and then it'll be very uncool for two years more until it breaks... You'll need to buy a SD-card reader because beaming dozens of MP3 files over Bluetooth is a pain.

If money isn't an issue, the T630, the Z600 or the Nokia 6600 will fit your requirements. These are listed at around EUR 600.

  • The T630 and Z600 are supposed to fix the shortcomings in the T610 (washed-out screen, bad antenna, loudspeaker not loud enough etc etc). They've just been released and are currently expensive, possibly getting a price reduction in early 2004. I would say that these phones are the logical upgrade path for T39m and T68i owners. There's a very positive Z600 review over at Mobileburn [mobileburn.com] .
  • The Nokia 6600 is a fairly good phone. We have three at my workplace. If you're fed up with the oh-so-limited 7650, or the round-keyboard 3650, or the GPRS-disabled 9210, this is probably the phone for you. Third-party software is abundant. Getting the 6600 to work with iSync currently requires some h4x0ring, but no doubt it'll be officially supported with OS X 10.3.2

Current mobile phones are built for a three-year life span. They are not supposed to last much longer than that. Regardless of what you buy today, it's 50-50 that you're going Christmas shopping for a new phone again in 2006.

It could be a good idea to stick with your current brand, unless you're deeply unsatisfied with the menu layout or the physical quality or something. I've been using Ericssons for a while and have difficulties adapting to Nokia's Symbian UI: the N-Gage is compelling but the UI kind of rules it out.

--Bud

Re:T68i, T630 or Z600 (3, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 10 years ago | (#7699885)

*The nGage is interesting mostly because it's the cheapest Symbian-enabled phone on the market and it's got built-in audio capabilities (FM radio, MP3 playback) and official iSync support. You don't have to be a gaming addict to use it. It'll have that coolness factor for a year or so, and then it'll be very uncool for two years more until it breaks... You'll need to buy a SD-card reader because beaming dozens of MP3 files over Bluetooth is a pain.*

actually you wont need. first it uses mmc card, and second it comes with an usb cable(that intrestingly enough you can't use with the pcsuite). otherwise it's just like the other s60 phones(except, way much more memory for the applications to run in, this is something that is not usually said anywhere tho, so you can have opera, wirelessirc, and some game running at the same time without running out). i traded to ngage from 3650 because of the memory and headphones jack(for playing those mp3's), also it's better for playing around with the emulators than what 3650 is(the camera i didn't use all that much, and it's crap. i didn't have any issues with 3650's nifty pad though). bluetooth works the same on both for me(no issues).

6600 is very nice but expensive and still buggy(and some programs are just dependant on the things that are spesific to 6.1 symbian phones and wont run on 6600).

if the symbian ui feels awkward there's some programs out there to use as alternative main menu(quicklaunchers of sorts). though, the ui is one the best ui's for small multi use devices out there imho(hardest thing maybe is to get used to multitasking and switching between programs that are running).

Re:T68i, T630 or Z600 (1)

Cato (8296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7700519)

If the T68i is anything like the T68, rock-steady is the last description that should be used... I suspect the T610 or P800 are a lot better in Bluetooth usability.

Re:T68i, T630 or Z600 (1)

Matthew Weigel (888) | more than 10 years ago | (#7700781)

That's mostly a software issue, and the differences between the t68i and the t68 are a) software and b) cosmetics. Yes, from everything I've read, the t68i is much better in this regard.

Re:T68i, T630 or Z600 (1)

Bud (1705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701401)

So what devices did you use it with?

In this context, "rock-steady" should be appended with "...compared to anything else on the market."

As a rule, if a device does not pair properly with the T68i, or has problems discovering it, or can't connect reliably or simply loses the connection, it usually exhibits the same problems also with other devices.

Many times in the past, Ericsson has gone to the extreme to get all features in a device up to par, even if the device is delayed or even killed off before it reaches production. Nokia simply decides to skip features in order to get devices out on time, i.e. their first J2ME and Bluetooth implementations really sucked. Ericsson shipped the first commercial-quality Bluetooth chips in their T39 and R520 devices, and at the time they were the most standards-compliant devices on the market. The T68i is even better, I guess it has an upgraded chip.

--Bud

r520m can still be had... (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 10 years ago | (#7711985)

Just pop onto eBay and they are all over the place at about $60 for one that can be used on any network. The phone was released officially only in Europe but it works like a charm here in the US. I'm using mine on T-Mobile, which is the geekiest Mobile Phone company on the planet. All You Can Eat 802.11b HotSpot usage (Borders, Starbucks) or AYCE GPRS connectivity only costs $20 more a month.

This is a no-BS phone. No color screen, no polyphonic or .WAV ringtones, no built-in camera, a couple of games (a Pong and a Quix clone) and a few black-and-white background images. It's also a bit on the bulky side compared to modern phones. However, it's light, it's cheap, it does Bluetooth, and it is compatible with just about all of the Ericsson gadgets, including the camera if you must. I have a serial cable and chatboard keyboard I got from eBay and I can grab a FM tuner/headset (wired) anytime I want, should I want one.

The battery lasts and lasts and lasts. Even the skinny one you get with the phone. And I have a second battery (also an eBay find) that I got for $3 that has even more standby/talk time. Yes, it's an Ericsson OEM battery.

I love my r520m and I actually will probably get a spare in case this one breaks.

Re:T68i, T630 or Z600 (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7729326)

"If you're on a budget, look at the T68i and the Nokia N-Gage. I think they are listed at around EUR 250."

The Nokia N-Gage? Are you high? Maybe if you want to use a headset with, but otherwise, you'll have the weirdest experience trying to use the unit like a traditional phone up against your ear. But don't take my word for it, check out the N-Gage's "spoof" page here:

http://www.sidetalking.com

Profound?! (1)

uradu (10768) | more than 10 years ago | (#7700049)

> profound decision that could significantly affect the next couple of years of my life

Dude, if you think selecting a Bluetooth cell phone is profound, just wait until you graduate high school or get laid for the first time.

Anyway, if you don't want a color phone or want something cheap with lots of features (without bothering with pesky rebates), check out the Sony Ericsson R520m. A couple of years behind the curve, but it's got every major new feature and a nice legible b/w display. Plus they usually come unlocked, so you can hop carriers at any moment.

Bluetooth phones and Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7701553)

This link here, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/maccellphone
, is a yahoo group for people attempting to hookup a cell phone to their Mac laptop.

Good luck!

Jon

T616 (1)

Zebra_X (13249) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701627)

Voice Clarity: Excellent
Display: Bright, Clear, Readable
Camera: You won't be taking any family photos with it.
Battery Life: Excellent
Weight: Very Light

The keys ARE small, but they are spaced apart nicely, so unless you are andre the giant, I think one can get used to it.

As far as cellphone UI's go - this will be my seventh cellphone and it is the best I've used to date. The graphics, sounds and layout are very good and easy to navigate.

One of the things I like best is an IMAP/POP compatible e-mail reader/writer. While writing an e-mail is damn near impossible, reading is quite easy. You can configure multiple e-mail accounts, and can even use your own server for sending your picture messages and such (via e-mail). I have ATT and found that it was taking them a half hour to deliver a 20KB e-mail.

It also supports Java applications such as games and other things. The load time for Java based applications leaves something to be desired, but once it's running, it's good.

One thing of note is the speed, or lack thereof of the GPRS network it's simply slow.

The phone also supports, Bluetooth, and IR as a primary means of connecting to other devices. Turning it on, and off is very easy. As is connecting to compatible devices.

Re:T616 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7705219)

...so unless you are andre the giant...

Yes. In that case you're dead, and you probably don't need a cellphone at all.

Siemens S56 (1)

mjt AG (725410) | more than 10 years ago | (#7701953)

The Siemens S56 (I personally think) has the best bang/buck. I got mine when it 1st came out for $99, plus a $50 MIR (mail in rebate); it includes a color screen (back lit), bluetooth, games, IrDA, a file manager, polyphonic ringtones, voice/memo recorder (can even record phone conversations), etc. just a whole bunch of goodies. The only drawback I see is that it doesn't have a built in camera like the SE T616, however, it does have a camera attachment you can buy. Also, many have claimed that the battery life sux, but from my personal experience, it can last for a whole week (6 days, recharge on Sun.) while taking calls the whole time. The only time is doesn't last as long (4 - 5 days) is when you take long calls, I mean like 2 hour calls and such. I've been extremely happy with the phone, however.

For further reviews on the S56:

Howard Forums [howardforums.com]

Mobile Media [mobiledia.com]

ZDNet [com.com]

Where are you? (1)

Tintivilus (88810) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702706)

That depends on whether you're in 3G coverage or not... if not, why the hell hasn't anybody mentioned the Siemens S55 yet? it's all phone (no camera or crap) with a good bluetooth implementation. It seemed awfully sturdy to me, too. You'll probably have to order one from someplace crazy, though; I haven't seen them for sale at retail in the US. If you like clamshells and/or toys, the Motorola V600 is going to be out RSN, and that's a pretty rockin' phone. They finally updated the V.60 -- it's a metal-shell color cameraphone with lots of goodies.

Now, if you *can* get 3G coverage, the only reasonable option is the Motorola A835. It's the only GSM/GPRS/UMTS phone on the market right now (except it's predecessor the A830, which is awfully clunky) and it has great data capabilities. Also has IRDA in addition to bluetooth for those with older laptops. it's a little bit, but it's good and sturdy with a *surprisingly* long battery life. It also has crazy-huge multimedia support.

Re:Where are you? (1)

Transfan76 (577070) | more than 10 years ago | (#7703134)

If you mean crazy by Cingular, then you're right. The S55 phone is $79.99 USD after rebates from Cingular or $129 USD from ATT Wireless.

Nokia 3650 (2, Informative)

DiscoOnTheSide (544139) | more than 10 years ago | (#7702719)

I've had the Nokia 3650 for about two months now. It's an amazing device and if you go to a place thats willing to wheel and deal (like I did) you can end up with the phone for $25 after rebate (yes, twenty five.) There is currently a $150 rebate through T-Mobile on the phone and I was able to talk the places down to $175 from the T-Mobile price of $300 (and T-Mobile is a great service provider as well, I've been using them for over two years now and I've yet to have a problem (with the exception of my first phone with them, the T68m but that wasn't their fault and they were still quick to make things better for me)

Ok, so now I'll run down on the phone itself...

104Mhz StrongARM processor with 4MB of RAM. (Cause every geek loves those stats...)

A very large fairly high resolution screen that fares VERY well in sunlight and any light situation. It's backlit, but only a slight lowering of contrast occurs in sunlight.

The camera that is built in is of amazing quality for a camera and one of the best I've seen. It also records video but it's not as usefull, as the resolution is only 320x240 and the quality is horrible. Good for BS clips but nothing fancy. The camera has actually gotten me rave reviews on my photography skills (more than a regular camera). The two following links are directories full of pictures and videos I've taken with my phone, feel free to browse them at your leisure.
Pictures of the beach by my house [rutgers.edu]
Pictures of the recent snow storm at Rutgers Uni. [rutgers.edu]

Being a Symbian OS based device there's TONS of programs for it, ranging from MP3 players (I used it once, not bad, but I prefer my iPod) to Game Boy Emulators (nothing like playing Mario Bros 1 in class) to usefull applications like file browsers, to Doom! (doom links: here [rutgers.edu] and here [rutgers.edu] ) Plus its easy to get files onto the phone be it through bluetooth, infared or taking out the phones 16MB MMC card and putting it on there via flash card reader.

Ringtones for the phone are MIDI files so it's easy to find your favorite song or write your own and place it on the phone.

iSync is supported with the phone, as well as other nifty Mac bluetooth programs such as Salings Clicker which lets you controll your mac from your cellphone. Good for controlling iTunes (I have it set so it plays my music when it sees my phone so I come home to my favorite music) and can be used to control DVD Player or Quicktime, and can be set to perform AppleScripts...

Yes. the circular keypad is odd. It took me about a week to get used to it. After a month and a half with the phone, I'm back up to my previous typing speed on the T68i (I can go faster tho, as Nokia's predictive text is much faster than SE's...) and the only time it's a slight problem is when I'm inebriated, but even then all skillsets go to zero, so it's no so much the phone's fault. :) I put all my numbers into the phone book anyways so I rarely dial numbers.

Battery life and size: The phone is slightly larger than other phones, yes. But after all the times I spent digging in the tinest little crevaces of car seats, classrooms, and dorm rooms looking for the phone, a larger phone is appreciated. Plus it leaves room for a larger battery and antenna (and that's another thing. The 3650 has fantastic reception abilities and some have claimed it has the best of any Nokia phone to date.) and it just feels like less of a toy than other phones. I take pictures all the time and have many 5-10 minutes phone calls a day. I have to charge the phone every 3-4 days, but I just keep it on a car charger when I drive and when I sleep its in the charger, but you can get away with forgetting to once in a while with no worries (plus the batteries are the same as the N-Gage and those are only $35!)

I tend to tell people to stay away from Sony Ericcson, I don't know about their newest phones, but my impression from SE was that they try to do too many things and are not really good at any one thing. Nokia's have always been about stability and useability. While the 3650 has tons of high-tech spiffy features, it's also a very good phone which is what I'm sure you're looking for as well. So look around, go to the shady cell phone dealers in the mall. Ask em how low they can go. And when you find someone lower, don't buy it. Go back to the other place and tell them: "Hey, the guy on the other end of the mall will give it to me for this. You wanna beat that and get some money or shall I leave you in the cold." And most of the time they'll play ball. It's just knowing how much it's worth and what kind of deal you're getting exactly.

Happy phone shopping, and have fun with whatever electronic leash you end up with :-P

Re:Nokia 3650 (1)

boringgit (721801) | more than 10 years ago | (#7711621)

I also have a 3650.

I echo most of the above comments but would add a few things.

- Forget MIDI ringtones, you can use a wav file!!! This is really cool!
- Bluetooth does massacre battery life 4 days down to 2 days!
- Nokia have a strange method of doing bluetooth. If you try to connect to the serial port from a PC the phone accepts the connection, then drops it, then initiates a new connection back to the PC. Odd - took a bit of searching before I worked out how to connect it.
- The address book /pim is far more comprehensive than any mobile I have encountered before or since. Outlook sync works great (ish). I don't know if there is a mac equivalent though... Would be pretty time consuming to type in all of those details manually...

Get the 6600 instead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7711752)

If you can spare the money. It's overall more nicer.

T61*, Sunlight, Buttons & More! (1)

Lazaru5 (28995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7703047)

The sunlight problems aren't really a problem. It has to be direct sunlight before there's a problem seeing the screen. Ie, it'll rarely happen unless you're TRYING to see how bad it is. How often are you trying to make a call outdoors in direct sunlight? Besides, you ARE planning on using voice dialing with your Bluetooth headset right?

"What about receiving calls?" you say? Any phone that doesn't have personalized ringtones isn't worth getting anyway. Even if you WERE in direct sunlight you'd still know who it was.

Also, some themes are easier to see than others (yes, the T61* is themeable.)

I have nothing to say about the buttons except that they're fine and I never have a problem with them. I'm not a button masher though so YMMV.

This is a VERY cool phone. You did right by checking Apple's list. Did you also notice Apple's endorsement of a program called Salling Clicker that works via Bluetooth with S-E phones and Palm devices to remote control your Mac using AppleScripts? There's other Bluetooth remote control apps out there but none as good.

The only thing I wish it had was an IM client. Did I mention it was a sexy phone?

Re:T61*, Sunlight, Buttons & More! (1)

jonfelder (669529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7718622)

I just tried the phone out for two weeks, and while it's a nice phone I had some issues with it.

1. You have to press down on the joystick to bring up the menu and to make selections. However, the joystick is also used to access certain functions. For example if you move the joystick down it will select the call list. If you move it up it will select (at least with AT&T anyway) mMode. This is pretty annoying because often when trying to push the joystick to make a selection, I will instead move it a bit and it won't register a down push and it'll go to the call log or mMode.

Nokias have a similar interface, but the joystick is never used for selection, so it's much harder to screw up.

2. The phone will not display battery life, messages waiting, calls missed, or signal strength unless you push it a button on it. I know it does this to save battery life, but why can't the screensaver show more useful information than the time? Furthermore if left idle it will go back to the screen saver (again to save battery life), but because the screen saver doesn't show anything useful, I find myself having to hit a button over and over to check signal strength while going places.

3. Similar to number 2, when pressing a button on the phone the screen lights up, even if the keys are locked. This means a constant drain on your phone's battery if you carry your phone in your pocket and the buttons get inadvertantly pushed.

4. I had total issues with sunlight and seeing the screen. Granted, you can usually position the phone such that you can see the screen, but I still found it to be an annoyance. Particularly when in the car.

5. This is a minor gripe, but still...why doesn't the phone come with a normal ring by default? I absolutely hate ring tones. I just want the phone to do a normal ring instead of the crappy sounding little tunes it comes with. The closest I could get was an old fashioned phone ring tone.

6. Whenever you miss calls, the phone will not show all the times the person tried to call. It only shows the last time.

I did like the camera, and the big screen. The phone was quite colorful and did have a good number of options, but it's the little things that will make me go with a Nokia 6200 I think.

Re:T61*, Sunlight, Buttons & More! (1)

Lazaru5 (28995) | more than 10 years ago | (#7726388)

1. You have to press down on the joystick to bring up the menu and to make selections. However, the joystick is also used to access certain functions. For example if you move the joystick down it will select the call list. If you move it up it will select (at least with AT&T anyway) mMode. This is pretty annoying because often when trying to push the joystick to make a selection, I will instead move it a bit and it won't register a down push and it'll go to the call log or mMode.

Yes it can be tricky to press down instead of in a direction but I think your description is a little off. Only at the main screen will down choose the contact list, right choose the menu, left choose the calendar and up open the browser. It's not like a slip of the joystick in _other_ menus will suddenly take you away to some other area entirely. The worst that happens is you scroll down one menu item instead of selecting the one that was highlighted and have to go back one level and try again.

I'm not trying to be apologetic, but make sure your descriptions are accurate enough so that other people can make good decisions.

2. The phone will not display battery life, messages waiting, calls missed, or signal strength unless you push it a button on it. I know it does this to save battery life, but why can't the screensaver show more useful information than the time? Furthermore if left idle it will go back to the screen saver (again to save battery life), but because the screen saver doesn't show anything useful, I find myself having to hit a button over and over to check signal strength while going places.

I 'm sorry, I found this a little commical. Are you the "Can you hear me now?" guy or something?

I don't know about most people but the only time I'm checking the signal strength is when the quality is poor or I can't make a call. I suppose some people may obssess over their signal strength constantly, or maybe they're graphing it in MRTG or something, I dunno. :)

3. Similar to number 2, when pressing a button on the phone the screen lights up, even if the keys are locked. This means a constant drain on your phone's battery if you carry your phone in your pocket and the buttons get inadvertantly pushed.

The only thing I can say to this is if you have your Light set to Automatic instead of On then what good is a screensaver with lots of information going to do for you anyway? To make a screensaver with info useful would mean setting the Light to On (and doing so gives you a warning about a drain on your standby time.) If your Light is On all the time (so you could see the "Info Saver" (TM) then a bump in your pocket won't make any difference.

4. ....sunlight...screen....

Readers see my parent post.

5. This is a minor gripe, but still...why doesn't the phone come with a normal ring by default? I absolutely hate ring tones. I just want the phone to do a normal ring instead of the crappy sounding little tunes it comes with. The closest I could get was an old fashioned phone ring tone.

I've never seen a polyphonic capable phone NOT come with stupid rings by default. I, like you, choose the old fashioned phone ringtone as my default ring.

6. Whenever you miss calls, the phone will not show all the times the person tried to call. It only shows the last time.

I haven't entirely figured out the call log/missed calls features. I should have included this in my parent post but I forgot all about it. This is my only real complaint about the phone. The call log is non-intuitive and poorly designed and sometimes it even seems a little buggy. There doesn't seem to be an actual call history like I was always used to on my Nokias. They merge the missed calls, received calls and the outgoing calls into one list and while the icons are useful it seems that entries on the list mysteriously disappear. Also the timestamps only show the time of the call if it's today. A call from yesterday (etc) simply shows the date (you would think that More would give you an option for additional information but then that would be complaining about what a phone DOESN'T do instead of complaining about what is wrong with what it does do.)

Anyway, enjoy your Nokia.

Re:T61*, Sunlight, Buttons & More! (1)

jonfelder (669529) | more than 10 years ago | (#7726760)

Yes it can be tricky to press down instead of in a direction but I think your description is a little off. Only at the main screen will down choose the contact list, right choose the menu, left choose the calendar and up open the browser. It's not like a slip of the joystick in _other_ menus will suddenly take you away to some other area entirely. The worst that happens is you scroll down one menu item instead of selecting the one that was highlighted and have to go back one level and try again.

I'm not trying to be apologetic, but make sure your descriptions are accurate enough so that other people can make good decisions.


That's what I meant...just had a lot of points to go through.

I 'm sorry, I found this a little commical. Are you the "Can you hear me now?" guy or something?

I don't know about most people but the only time I'm checking the signal strength is when the quality is poor or I can't make a call. I suppose some people may obssess over their signal strength constantly, or maybe they're graphing it in MRTG or something, I dunno. :)


Interesting that you decided to focus on just the signal strength while ignoring the rest of the point. FYI, I was concerned about the signal strength because this was a new phone and new service. When evaluating a new phone/service it's generally a good idea to "obssess" over signal strength before entering into a two year contract. Besides I do like to check the signal from time to time just so I know where I get signal and where I don't. It'd be nice not to have to hit a button to do that.

BTW...with GSM you can be the "can you hear me now" guy. The coverage is not nearly as good as TDMA or CDMA, at least not yet.

The only thing I can say to this is if you have your Light set to Automatic instead of On then what good is a screensaver with lots of information going to do for you anyway? To make a screensaver with info useful would mean setting the Light to On (and doing so gives you a warning about a drain on your standby time.) If your Light is On all the time (so you could see the "Info Saver" (TM) then a bump in your pocket won't make any difference.

If you didn't notice, the screen shows a clock when in screen saver mode. You can see the clock can't you? Why not have a similar thing with an envelope or signal bars on the screen? They don't have to be exceedingly bright...just visible like the clock is. I doubt this consumes a ton of power...but if it does, make an option for it (i.e. no screen saver, clock, or Info Screen). Info Screen would certainly consume less power than having the light always on. Of course, when you consider that the light will come on whenever you hit a key even if key lock is on, it may make sense to leave the light always on. I personally would rather have a phone that had a standby time of more than a day or so though.

If you're with Sprint PCS, none of the above (1)

Brian See (11276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7704491)

I'm locked in to Sprint PCS for various reasons, WLNP notwithstanding. Unfortunately, Sprint has yet to offer a Bluetooth-enabled phone. Promises of the release of the Sony T608 seem like vaporware, although the latest reports indicate that it may actually be released Real Soon Now.

I think Verizon users are similarly limited in their (lack of) choices.

Nothing like choice.

What about the simplest and cheapest? (1)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705512)

What about the simplest, cheapest, less feature-filled, and preferably smallest bluetooth phone? I want something about the size of a couple matchboxes stacked that has no speaker or mic, LCD, no buttons (other than power), nothing else other than a couple of LEDs showing network availability. I just want it to be a GRPS/cell network -> bluetooth bridge to be used with my PDA. I want it to sit in my pocket or bag, out of the way and out sof sight. I just want to be able to turn on my PDA and get net access through it, without having to invest in an expensive phone. Most phones with bluetooth are high-end ones- $200-$300 for the lot of them!

Buying a cell-equipped PDA is out of the question. I will not take a downgrade to some small-screened jobbie. Not for me. My PDA has an 800x480 screen and I will never go back to 240x320. :) But I do want net access anytime, anywhere.

Recently, a CF card that allows me to use T-mobile's $30/mo unlim data service has come out. But it's $250 and still pretty new. That might be what I'll use, but the opton I mentioned above would be good too.

Nokia 6310i (1)

cbcbcb (567490) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705518)

Nokia 6310i.

It's a fairly basic phone, but it's triband (works in Europe and US), has bluetooth, runs java games. No camera and no colour screen, but it works, and lasts over a week of real usage on one charge.

It's a good reliable phone, and it works properly, which is what I'm looking for in a phone :)

T616 works great with Mac and with Toyota Prius (1)

hmbJeff (591813) | more than 10 years ago | (#7705608)

I bought a Sony T616 after I got my 2004 Toyota Prius because the Prius supports handsfree phone access through Bluetooth.

I can just get in the car with the phone in my pocket. If a call comes in, it show up on the car's touchscreen and I touch an icon to pick it up. It mutes the stereo and the call audio comes through the stereo speakers. The microphone is in the mirror. Sound quality is great.

For outbound, I can transfer my phone's contacts into the car's contacts by bluetooth, then one-touch dial from the car's touchscreen.

In general I have been very happy with the phone. It is small, but aesthetically pleasing to both eye and touch. Controls are big enough and the joystick thingy is a pretty effective device for quick navigation.

My reception in the SF bay area (with AT&T) has been very good--I have not seen a dropped call yet (at least none that I think came from my end of the conversation). That is way better than my previous Verizon service.

I also got a very good deal on the phone. I bought two (one for me and one for my wife) at the Good Guys and, after the rebates, they ended up giving ME $50 per phone with service activation.

I would recommend the phone to anyone.

Re:T616 works great with Mac and with Toyota Prius (1)

the Man in Black (102634) | more than 10 years ago | (#7747269)

I can just get in the car with the phone in my pocket. If a call comes in, it show up on the car's touchscreen and I touch an icon to pick it up. It mutes the stereo and the call audio comes through the stereo speakers. The microphone is in the mirror. Sound quality is great.

That is the coolest shit I have ever heard in my life. Holy Moses. I just got my T616 today (AT&T is handing them out gratis to new subscribers) and I'm happy as a little girl. Are there any other car stereos that support the Bluetooth handsfree feature? Something aftermarket?

N-Gage, Sendo X or 6600 (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7706709)

I have an N-Gage and its Bluetooth works well, be it shuffling files, being a modem for your laptop/PDA or multiplayer gaming. I've even exchanged messages with an Ericsson model of some sort. It's also now the cheapest Series 60 phone, with more RAM than the 3650.

Scared of the N-Gage? The Sendo X appears to be the top-of-the-line Series 60 phone, with the works, but if you want a Nokia device, the ultimate appears to be the 6600 -- you'll pay for it though.

Nokia 6230 will be coming out soon (1)

dnquark137 (717632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7709731)

My requirements for a phone are (1) FM Radio (2) Speakerphone (3) Bluetooth. So far, I always had to choose 2 out of 3. But that will change once the 6230 hits the stores (sometime in Q1 2004). It's also chock-full of all the semi-useless gadgetry (still/video camera, mp3 player). It's also not a Symbian-based phone. And it will probably cost an arm and a leg, at least initially. And I won't predict how it will sync with iSync. But still, it promises to be a pretty fun phone!

MY SONY ERICSSON T610 ROCKS! (1)

asciilogic (539658) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712172)

the amazon review is lame...the buttons are just fine...well lit...the jog stick has been improved over the T68...so it's easier to use. i have no trouble using this with my bluetooth enabled HP iPaq 5555. in addition, it's super tiny and has a built-in cam...you should definitely get it! btw, make sure u get a cool case...i picked one up from vajacases.com...a case is a definite must b/c it prevents this expensive beauty from being scratched.

T610 Problems (1)

Xthlc (20317) | more than 10 years ago | (#7712334)

I've had the T610 for about a week and a half (T-Mobile, North America). It's a neat phone, and GPRS over Bluetooth with my 12" Powerbook is pretty swell (still much slower than a 56K modem though). The criticisms you'll read in the online reviews are pretty spot-on.

The screen is difficult to see in sunlight. You can actually get around this fairly easily, by picking a higher-contrast theme than the default one. Once I did that, I have no problem using the phone outdoors.

The reception is this phone's biggest flaw. It's flat-out lousy. I've stood directly under an antenna and gotten only three out of five bars. The major thing that seems to screw up the phone is being inside buildings -- sometimes I find myself having to sit by windows to use my phone. I've read that the T616 (the model offered by Cingular) has much better reception in the US, as it's calibrated for North American GSM.

The camera is also pretty terrible. I regularly see weird RGB "sprinkles" in my photographs. Also, forget about photos in darkened bars or nightclubs -- you'll only get decent pictures outdoors in good daylight. Don't get this if a camphone is high on your priority list.

Re:T610 Problems (2, Interesting)

kruczkowski (160872) | more than 10 years ago | (#7713702)

What you should look into is getting a European version of a GSM phone. Reason is that the FCC limits the power wattage from the radio on the phone. Europe's limit is much higher.

Re:T610 Problems (1)

Hast (24833) | more than 10 years ago | (#7715449)

The reception is this phone's biggest flaw. It's flat-out lousy. I've stood directly under an antenna and gotten only three out of five bars.

Just a little FYI (in pedant mode): mobile antennas are designed to be shielded downwards. So you won't get good reception right below it. If you walk some distance away from it you may get better reception.

Though I get your point that reception is bad. ;-)

My Sony-Ericsson 610 sucked. (1)

wraith0x29a (565168) | more than 10 years ago | (#7724046)

When I got my Sony-Ericsson 610 I thought it was great apart from the unneccessary camera (I'm a unix boy - one tool for one job - and have a perfectly good digital camera already) and the annoying menus and phonebook and lack of basic usability compared with my old Nokia 7110 but nice all the same. Then I realised I could hardly read the display in sunlight. Then the display packed in. After I had been through 3 different handsets, all of which developed faults within a week I gave up and went back to Nokia with a (non bluetooth) 6110.

When does bluetooth come out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7724525)

It sounds neat!

Old School is the way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7724728)

I've had a nightmare with bluetooth for a good couple of months now -

I have numerous bluetooth devices, PDA, powerbook, windows laptop, handsfree kit and needed connectivity amongst them all.

I started with a Siemens S55 which I found excellent with my handsfree (jabra freespeak) poor under windows and marginal with powerbook / windows laptop and my PDA.

I then went to a Nokia 6310 which is a fantastic phone, the best I've ever used, however, the bluetooth capabilites are poor, no passive mode for the handsfree so you have to have the handsfree as the active device all the time.

I've now got an old R520M Ericsson (before they became sony/ericsson) and it works great.

I can use it surf the web from my windows laptop or powerbook via GPRS, I can sync with iSync and the sony ericsson software you get for Windows. I can pair it with my PDA and use it for dialling, it can then pass the call to my headset. I can sync my phone book with pocket outlook or with desktop outlook, in short it's fantastic.

The only drawback is the battery life is poor and it's quite an ugly looking phone, as a phone it's nowhere near as good as the 6310i for ease of use or comforth but for use with bluetooth it's the best by far.

Solution ?

R520m for business use.
6310i for personal use.

The bonus is you can pick up a R520 in the Uk from expansys for 60.

love my T616 (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 10 years ago | (#7729580)

I got my T616 about a month and a half ago through the AT&T Wireless website. They offered a two-day free T616 promo and I was quick to capitalize it.

1. The Bluetooth works great. I don't have Bluetooth on my PC but I tried it out on my parent's eMac when visiting and it worked like a champ transmitting the photos. Just don't try to buy a Bluetooth adapter at Best Buy. They don't carry the Apple recommended D-Link USB adapter, and they'll charge you $50 for the off-brand adapter. Unfortunately, this was an impulse buy for me.

2. My head doesn't hurt after using the phone. My two prior mobile phones had been Nokias (first through Sprint, then Cingular). I had headaches after only a few minutes of use. Probably had to do with Nokia's great track record of being the cell phones emitting the most radiation. My doctor at Kaiser signed me up for a CAT scan that some unnamed research group paid for (this was early 2002), and thankfully, no tumors! :0

3. I like the joystick, although it sucks for playing Q-Bert. The standard golf game sucks too. Sony Ericsson and AT&T Wireless should offer the classic Atari coin-op ports IMHO.

3. The phone is damn-sexy. Although I am in the market for a screen cover because I don't like scratching it up. I'm sure they sell them.

4. Battery life is awesome.

Now for the not-so-good.

1. I wish the phone was in a clamshell. Yes, Sony is bringing out one in Europe but it isn't shown on their U.S. website.

2. I can't use the phone in my apartment which is in metropolitan SacTown, home of the Kings. Granted, I think this has to do with GSM in general because my Nokia phone using Cingular also had reception problems in the complex. Funny enough, my former roommate's Korean (Samsung or something) through Sprint always received calls. I gather its the *Sprint Principle*, the one area where your GSM phone won't work, that will be the ONE place a Sprint phone will actually work in. Yep, CDMA is definitely superior .

3. I've had issues with text messaging, but again, I think this has to do with the GSM service in my area. AIM worked well through mMode.

4. The operating system has crashed twice. On my girlfriend's T616, the screen locked up and wouldn't respond to any of the buttons being pushed. We had to take the battery out to *kill* it and cause a reboot. The phone worked after that.

So in all, that's really only 2 problems I've encountered outside of my own personal preferences. Despite that, I strongly recommend this phone. Down with Nokia's superiority complex and their radiation levels. :)

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