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Who Still Uses Old Monitors?

Cliff posted about 11 years ago | from the old-doesn't-mean-useless dept.

Displays 305

skurrier asks: "Reading the comments for a totally unrelated article, an almost off topic post caught my eye: Someone said that they still had a Sun branded Sony GDM class monitor from way back, and (of course) it rocked then and still rocks. (Sorry, can't find the article, yet alone the comment) As I looked across my desk to that similar Sun branded Sony behemoth plugged into my PC I asked myself: How many people still use ancient monitors? And more importantly, what is the oldest monitor you still use regularly?"

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Tandy (3, Funny)

eyempack (239017) | about 11 years ago | (#7983868)

Unforunatly i still have a Monochome monitor on my test bench. You never know when you need to run XGA Graphics

Re:Tandy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7983984)

Doesn't XGA mean 1024x768? What's it mean in Tandy terms?

Re:Tandy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984031)

Isn't VGA 800x600 and SVGA 1024x768?

Re:Tandy (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984034)


Re:Tandy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984800)

VGA: 640x480
SVGA: 800x600
XGA: 1024x768

Re:Tandy (2, Informative)

the Man in Black (102634) | about 11 years ago | (#7984786)

If memory serves:

CGA = 2^2 colors
EGA = 2^4 colors
VGA = 2^8 colors

XGA was eXtended Graphics Adapter in Radio Shack (Tandy) terms, but what meant performance wise I was never quite sure. As long as I could play Bard's Tale on it, I was a happy camper.

Re:Tandy (1)

ichimunki (194887) | about 11 years ago | (#7985501)

I was just playing with an old amber Gorilla monitor (maybe a 10 incher-- small) I have last weekend. Of course, then I pulled out the old Commodore 1702 and hooked that up to the C64 instead. The 1702 had full color and sound-- although I couldn't get sound to work. Although the joystick worked and a fun game of Jumpman was had by all.

Can't throw this stuff away. Never know when I'll want to play the adventure game I wrote when I was 15. Is there a good, easy way to get the data from my old C64 disks into my current system for use with an emulator?

Not ALWAYS, but... (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 11 years ago | (#7983874)

I run an old Laser (VTech) 13" VGA monitor when I need to run a kiosk and need the 17" to stay on a tower.

Apple branded Sony here (4, Interesting)

Dark Nexus (172808) | about 11 years ago | (#7983876)

A nice 20" Trinitron from 1996. Not REALLY old, but better than most monitors from 1996. Still a decent match for any current curved-screen monitor, actually. Well, in everything but refresh rate.

It gets me 1600x1200x32, so I'm happy.

Re:Apple branded Sony here (2, Insightful)

lotussuper7 (134496) | about 11 years ago | (#7983951)

Same deal here, except for the Apple brand.

I don't play games that require killer refresh rates, so the display issue is for crispness and size.

The rest of the system is much the same. If parts need an upgrade that will actually help me, it gets done, else I'm happy with what is there.

Re:Apple branded Sony here (2, Insightful)

BlueArchon (531981) | about 11 years ago | (#7983988)

I would say it's the other way around. 60 Hz is enough for games, but 60 Hz on the desktop gives me migraine in a matter of minutes.

Re:Apple branded Sony here (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7985506)

Awww, does the monitor hurt your eyes? Pussy.

Re:Apple branded Sony here (1)

mjpaci (33725) | about 11 years ago | (#7984738)

I just replaced 4 21" Sony monitors 500 and 520 series, don't remember the letters, at a client site. The client was nice enough to donate these still working monitors to a friend of mine whose child is close to blind. 640x480 @ 75Hz on a 21" monitor is perfect for my friend's son. The monitors were manufactured in 1995 or 1996 and they're still going strong.

I have a 19" Mitsubishi Diamondtron (I think)from 1999 or 2000 on my G5 at home. The monitor still looks great. I can get 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz.


IBM 3151 (3, Interesting)

krymsin01 (700838) | about 11 years ago | (#7983889)

Not exactly a monitor, but I've got a IBM 3151 terminal hooked up to the serial port on my machine at home. Makes a nice dedicated mp3 player. Bought it at Goodwill for $3 (including keyboard).

Re:IBM 3151 (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about 11 years ago | (#7984347)

When it does go south, sell the keyboard. IBM wants $150 to replace one when they go south.

Re:IBM 3151 (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984553)

The oldest monitor I currently have is in the closet. It's a 14" or 13" SVGA monitor that I've had since about 1998 - maybe earlier. It was probably used when I got it. At one point, it was left out in the drizzling rain for a couple hours. The next time I plugged it in to use, it shto out three foot flames from the top of the chassis (singing the whole top black) after about an hour of use. Now, it still catches fire routinely - so when you use it, you shouldn't wanter away and leave it unattended.

But my main monitor now is my 23" Apple Cinedisplay. Who needs anything else?! :)

Re:IBM 3151 (1)

compwizrd (166184) | about 11 years ago | (#7984615)

Two of those sitting in the bathroom closet right now. Freebies from work.

Re:IBM 3151 (2, Interesting)

ptomblin (1378) | about 11 years ago | (#7984888)

I've got a DEC vt220 hooked up to my serial port. I use it for checking email (mutt) and Usenet news (trn) when somebody else is using the console screen for something graphical. Since my oldest step-daughter got a laptop, I hardly ever use it.

DEC vt420 (2, Interesting)

ShaggyZet (74769) | about 11 years ago | (#7985753)

I have a vt 420 hooked up with a serial switch to be the console on 4 servers. I call it a poor man's KVM. (though I guess that's not technically correct since the M stands for mouse) The cables are just plain serial, the switch was about 20 bucks, and the vt 420 was free. It's a pain to find MMJ cables, so I usually make them myself.

Re:IBM 3151 (1, Interesting)

toasterlizard (630110) | about 11 years ago | (#7985973)

I use an old wyse terminal as the console for a 486/50 running netbsd, but I think the oldest monitor I own is an IBM-branded 12" amber monochrome monitor that's plugged into another 486 (running linux 2.2.something and running as a dialup router. (hah))

A Gateway - Early 90's vintage (1)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | about 11 years ago | (#7983891)

I Can't remember the model, but I googled for it and searched the Gateway site, and can find absolutely no references to that model. Works fine as VESA.

Had to give up my old monitor... (2, Informative)

prufrax (521403) | about 11 years ago | (#7983910)

I had a huge old monitor until recently, when I moved into a third-floor flat in an old Victorian house.
I gave the old monitor away to the first person who wanted it, and now have a flat panel display - a lot easier to carry up all those stairs.
Were it not for the move, I would have continued to use the old monitor until it died.

Acer (1)

xyrw (609810) | about 11 years ago | (#7983922)

I have an Acer 13.7" monitor that I use every day with my iBook, which is enabled for dual-monitor display. It works, and it was free. I'm not sure how old it is, but the person who passed it to me said that it had come with his old 486, so I think ten years would not be a terrible estimate.

Although it works fine (by and large), Mac OS X doesn't seem to be able to detect its refresh rate, so I have to set it automatically. Works fine on 800x600 at 85 Hz, though.

Re:Acer (1)

ActiveSX (301342) | about 11 years ago | (#7984853)

so I have to set it automatically.

Wouldn't that be 'manually'?

Well, lets see here (1)

mlafranc (315895) | about 11 years ago | (#7983923)

I have an NEC Multisync 2A upstairs, and a Tandy VGM-340 (a tandy sensation origional) sitting next to me, I think they should count. Says March 1993, I'll get a new (or new to me) monitor if and when it gives up the ghost. They've outlasted newer, so I'm happy to uses what works well.

Not that old really ... (1)

tdelaney (458893) | about 11 years ago | (#7983925)

My KVM switch has a Samsung Syncmaster 15 attached - it's pretty dodgy, but it's still working well enough not to replace. Works for my Windows and FreeBSD servers, machines that friends bring over for updates, etc, and any machine I happen to be playing around with.

I occasionally plug my Macintosh Colour Display (13") when Dad brings up his powerbook, but that monitor's just started making sqealing noises ...

MAME (2, Interesting)

gnudutch (235983) | about 11 years ago | (#7983926)

I use throw-away VGA monitors in MAME hardware projects.

Pff (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7983927)

Young whippersnappers! I'm still using a dot-matrix printer for a display, and I like it that way!

Re:Pff (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7983993)

Bah. Back in my day we just have rows of wires sticking out of the box. We didn't even have any bulbs for them, you'd have to work out what was high by putting it into your mouth and seeing if you got a shock...

Re:Pff (1)

dago (25724) | about 11 years ago | (#7984811)

In fact I still have one at home and eventually used it for a long time when I begun university. Was a DECwriter III

Oh, and it should be as old as me (born in 79) ... I'm not _that_ old ;)

10 year old 14" TVM (4, Funny)

Zork the Almighty (599344) | about 11 years ago | (#7983956)

I have and use a 14" TVM monitor from 1992. Does 640x480@70, 800x600@56, and 1024x768@43.5 *interlaced*. Attached to a 486 DX/50 w/ 8mb of ram running Gentoo linux. I need all the compiler flags I can get ! This is not a joke.

Re:10 year old 14" TVM (1)

Zathrus (232140) | about 11 years ago | (#7984778)

I've got an ancient (1992-ish) 14" Dell monitor attached to my RH9 server... I managed to find timings (on Dell's website no less -- impressed the hell out of me) for 640x480. It doesn't support anything higher. It was donated to me from my sister.

The oldest monitor I use on a regular basis is my ViewSonic 21PS from 1996.

Sadly a LCD flatscreen is nowhere in my near future... even if my monitor or my wife's monitor (a 19" VS) died we have two spare 19" monitors from when we both ran 2 computers.

I have the lower quality AAmazing knock-off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984817)

I have the knock-off. It's an AAmazing 8414 with the same resolutions. Its hooked to a Cyrix 686-166 and 300A (374OC) via kvm. Works great for linux electronic hobby interface development. It came with my Packard-bell 286-12. The 40Mb drive still works too, although my flash key has 3x the storage - Geccie

Re:10 year old 14" TVM (1)

Oo.et.oO (6530) | about 11 years ago | (#7985639)

please tell me you did not bootstrap that installation ON the 486?

i have a P75 that i was going to start using as a dedicated firewall, moving it off my duallie setup. but was certainly going to do the compile on another machine and possibly only compile the kernel, and stage3 setup on the box itself.

machine will share monitors with the duallie fileserver which has a gateway2000 branded 17" sony from 91. which i actually got on warrantee from an older (ca. 1990) exact same spec 17" gateway2000 branded sony.

VT420 (1)

tsa (15680) | about 11 years ago | (#7983989)

I have a VT420 terminal that I use regularly at home. When I start it up it says (c) 1989 somewhere but I have no idea how old it really is.

Why? (1)

smoon (16873) | about 11 years ago | (#7984003)

I've got an old IBM 8215 out in the garage I can fire up -- Will that make me some kind of he-man uber-hacker?

I've got a sissy-ass 17" imac and love it, but maybe I could strengthen the lampshade-arm and bolt on the old CRT...

I have a 12" Wang (5, Funny)

vipw (228) | about 11 years ago | (#7984023)

I really think the subject says it all.

Seriously though, it's real. It has a vga connector and can do 640x480 in 4 glorious shades of gray.

Re:I have a 12" Wang (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984406)

You have a 12" wang?!?! Dude, I think you're posting to the wrong question ;)

IBM xxxx (12", Monochrome) (1)

dago (25724) | about 11 years ago | (#7984025)

as stated, should date back from the eighties, makes a perfect console in the closet.

(haven't plugged my VT yet)

Great for Servers (1)

fuzzybunny (112938) | about 11 years ago | (#7984035)

I have a firewall and fileserver at home; there's a KVM switch on them, with an old-ish Packard-Bell 15" monitor. It was free, and gives me console access to the boxes, in lieu of having to have buy PC hardware to allow true serial console connections (these are low-end whiteboxes.)

Old monitors are great for this stuff--when they die, you just dump them (here in Switzerland, there is a recycling tax on all electronic equipment; anyone who sells anything electrical or electronic is obliged by law to take it back, no questions asked--usually via a big crate in the back of the store.)

Monitors are ugly and take up space, which (at least in my office) is at a premium, and you gotta drag them along when you move. Unless you're a student or unemployed, there's really not much cause to use an old monitor for daily tasks, unless (a) you're perfectly happy with it, (b) it rocks (see point a) or (c) it's for this sort of console thing on rarely used boxes.

Re:Great for Servers (1)

jhoffoss (73895) | about 11 years ago | (#7984390)

I just use SSH/VNC/Terminal Services (for that other OS.) But I don't have a closet for my different servers (yet.)

EIZO 9400i (1)

managementboy (223451) | about 11 years ago | (#7984053)

My sister is still using my EIZO 9400i. Dont know how old... 20" and VERY heavy. has some color problems, but she does not know the difference.

Don't know the makes/models, (1)

Atrahasis (556602) | about 11 years ago | (#7984090)

...but at work we have 2 286's with their original monitors (run as terminals for tills), 2 386's with their original monitors, one in the stockroom (terminal) and one in the office, which runs the entire store stock control and EPOS system.

The only two computers to have trouble with their monitors are the two 486's in the service area. One has a dodgy power button, and the other just died a few weeks ago. Don't make 'em like they used to.

RCA video jacks... (1)

whoda (569082) | about 11 years ago | (#7984094)

The monochrome monitors we use at our test benches at work are some old HP brand.
Some of them have swivel screens.

The video input is an RCA jack!

The 'computers' are old HP Series 300 stations.

This GDM monitor ? (1)

Tomun (144651) | about 11 years ago | (#7984134)

Is this the post [slashdot.org] you are looking for ?

14" VGA, 20min warmup (2, Interesting)

jago25_98 (566531) | about 11 years ago | (#7984196)

14" VGA monitor that takes 20mins to warm up, though this time is decreased with vertical encouragement. Used all the time to:

- check freenode via bitchx
- config router

I'd love to show a pic, especially alongside the router with no case as it's laughable ...but the website it serves totally hides this.

In fact all my monitors are old - 15" at best and CRT :p

But... they don't lose pixels and are faily bomb proof!

Dell 21" FSTN (1)

beefness (112934) | about 11 years ago | (#7984266)

I dont know how old this is... but I'd guess early to mid 90's, I got it for free when a pair of such items fell off of a trolly at work (they were originally used for CAD).

One of my colleagues was wheeling them down a concrete ramp to our storage area, when a bolt sheered on the trolly, causing the top to collapse and the monitors to impact with the floor (those things are damn heavy by the way), one of them was totalled, but this one worked fine. My boss said I could have it as it's electrical safety would be questionable... plus we always bought monitors in pairs anyway.

I've had it for about 3 years now... only thing I have ever had to do is change the fuse, operates 1024x768 at 100Hz without any problem and is quite nice for DVD's. Not bad for free.

Apple IIe Green Monochrome Monitor (2, Interesting)

wimbor (302967) | about 11 years ago | (#7984285)

The oldest monitor lying around at home is the original monitor [blaatieblaat.net] that came with an Apple IIe. At that time (80's) it had a fairly nice design. It had a composite (banana?) video-in connector and hence was actually a TV monitor.

When I was playing with video camera's and a Panasonic 'digital' video editing board [cgi.ebay.ch] , I used the Apple as a monitor of my incoming video signal. :-)

Ten years later the thing still works, but not used anymore.

A bit from here, a bit from there (1)

Kris_J (10111) | about 11 years ago | (#7984296)

I just picked up a working Apple IIc with a working monitor, but for PC use I use a Sony 500PS that was a couple of years old, but still "new" when I bought it in 2000. As you say, still rocks.

Amiga Forever! (3, Interesting)

mithras the prophet (579978) | about 11 years ago | (#7984338)

I watch TV on my 1987 Commodore Amiga 13" monitor. Hey, it works!

Re:Amiga Forever! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984516)

I have a 1081 I use for my Playstation. Greenscreen option and all, from about the same age!

Re:Amiga Forever! (1)

Ray Radlein (711289) | about 11 years ago | (#7985353)

Same here -- my computer room TV is a Commodore Amiga 1084S 14" monitor. Great little TV. Stereo speakers, even.

The TV I used before the 1084S was an even older Commodore composite color monitor made for a C=64 (or maybe a 128). I got it for free from a co-worker who didn't want it any more, and immediately pressed it into service as a TV (the 1084S was busy being used on one of my Amigas back then).

The older monitor probably still works; I think that its power switch is just busted. One of these days I need to open up its case and see if I can fix that, so that I can return the 1084S to service as a monitor again -- at the moment, only the newest of my Amigas has a working monitor, and it is being shared with my older Red Hat computer.

Sigh ...So many computers, so little time.

My 19-incher (1)

ebbe11 (121118) | about 11 years ago | (#7984378)

I bought a Hitachi CM751 19" monitor when it came out here in Denmark (late 1997, I think). It was the first monitor larger than 17 inches that didn't cost more than $3000. It is still my main monitor and I expect it to last at least a couple more years.

Of course nowadays I can get a 19" flat-screen for about half of what I paid back then - but I have something that works very well so I'll wait for the prices to come down a bit more.

Re:My 19-incher (1)

merlin_jim (302773) | about 11 years ago | (#7985095)

I'm guessing that you're not talking US$ ??

We can get 19" (mostly) flat-screens for $100 here...


Alomex (148003) | about 11 years ago | (#7984440)

The color quality of my 1987 IBM XGA is still unmatched.

Re: Who Still Uses Old Monitors? (1)

SW6 (140530) | about 11 years ago | (#7984453)

Let's see...
  • 14" Sony TV, from 1993 - still the main TV in the house.
  • 14" Acorn monitor, unknown vintage but probably early 90s - this is my main monitor since the TFT died :(
  • Mystery 21" Sun monitor, claimed working, early 90s.
  • Some VT510 and a Wyse 50 "dumb" terminal. Probably mid-80s vintage.
  • 10" Philips green-screen video monitor, presumably from a BBC B. Sits in the computer room for watching DVDs on.
... but I'm sure there's some old fart out there who has kit that's even older.

Sun GDM-17E20 (1)

PeekabooCaribou (544905) | about 11 years ago | (#7984457)

I use a Sun-branded GDM-17E20 at home. It's one of the sharpest displays I've ever used. I moved from an old Acer to this new display and I was amazed at the clarity. I'll pick up another as soon as I get the chance. Hooray for non-standard plugs, they sure do drive prices down after a few years.

Iiyama Vision Master 500 (2, Informative)

forged (206127) | about 11 years ago | (#7984463)

This superb 21" CRT monitor [epinions.com] is "only" 6 years old... But with an average of 10-hours/day of use, the display is still as bright & crisp today as it was back on the first day I got it. These were surely the best 2500 German Marks I have ever spent on computer hardware. I cannot praise Iiyma [iiyama.com] enough for the monitors they are manufacturing !!@

Re:Iiyama Vision Master 500 (3, Interesting)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | about 11 years ago | (#7984822)

I'm still using an Iiyama VM Pro 450 [epinions.com] (19") here at work from around 1997. I had a VM 450 at home (closest match [epinions.com] not the same as the VM Pro 450), but it stopped working almost 2 years ago.

I've always been very pleased by Iiyama's monitors, but the replacement I bought 2 years ago was an NEC monitor, which is the best aperture grill screen I've ever seen (though I haven't seen Iiyama's newer monitors, since the 450 line is up to 455 for the AG screens, I bought the non-pro 450 for home use specifically because it was not an AG screen, because the AG usually makes games and images very dark). Unfortunately most people don't seem to carry Iiyama monitors, which means ordering online and hoping their new models are worth the money (as other manufacturers have gotten much better over the years) or going elsewhere.

Three of 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984476)

I have 2 - 21" Trinitrons and a 21" Hitachi. I just recently bought the 2 Trinitrons at a whopping 120 dollars each :). They rock -- Bigger is Better.

Thomson EGA (1)

Gangis (310282) | about 11 years ago | (#7984488)

I have a 14" Thomson EGA monitor here that I use for a IBM PC XT that I recently acquired. I play with it regularly, putting in old floppies that I find around the house to see if they worked. I've had it since 1988 or so, when I had a 286.

Ten years and counting (1)

kefoo (254567) | about 11 years ago | (#7984492)

I have a 15" KFC monitor that I bought with my first PC in 1994. It was used heavily for 4.5 years, was moved every few months during my co-op days in college, then survived a year in my brother's fraternity house room (quite the feat considering all the beer he spilled on his desk). Now it's hooked up to a RedHat system I use occasionally.

Fished One Out. (1)

ti1ion (239188) | about 11 years ago | (#7984533)

Home PC is connected to an HP98753A 19" RGB fixed frequency unit. Looks to be a Sony flat tube in it. Manufacture date: 1989.

A company was throwing them out some years ago, so I picked a couple up.

I've got an IBM 6091i waiting in the wings to replace the HP, once I figure out which video card to get to run it.

Greeny (1)

Apreche (239272) | about 11 years ago | (#7984539)

I have a green only apple //e monitor plugged into my apple //e. And I've got one of those apple rgb monitors plugged into an apple //gs. I also have a Mac Plus with 2MB of RAM. That thing IS a monitor. My roomate has a pretty old VGA CRT he uses as a second monitor. It's at least 10 years old.

It is a toss up. (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | about 11 years ago | (#7984541)

Between my Digital VT420 terminal, or my Vintage 1993 CTX 14" CRT hooked up to a 386 40mhz/8mb ram box.

Sun monitors rock... (2, Informative)

Kevin Burtch (13372) | about 11 years ago | (#7984567)

I also have an ancient 19" Sun branded Sony Trinitron monitor, still just as usable as it was when it was new (over a decade ago).
It's hooked up to a SPARCstation 10 from the same era, though it's been hopped up a bit (dual 166MHz HyperSPARC CPUs).

The only drawback to this monitor is an advantage in the winter... it produces more heat than any monitor I've ever seen.
I don't even need to run my heater most nights, but then I live in South Florida (yes, it does get down into the 40s down here). :)

The compact Macs - 9" mono Mac SE, 1987 (3, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | about 11 years ago | (#7984568)

I have a Mac SE which is still in use. Anyone with an old compact Mac will be able to boast some fairly old kit...


Re:The compact Macs - 9" mono Mac SE, 1987 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984883)

Not in operational use (probably in parents basement), but likely operational, is a Mac I got in September '84.

possibly my monitors you're talking about (1)

compwizrd (166184) | about 11 years ago | (#7984648)

Possibly could have been me, I use a pair of 20" Sun branded Sony GDM-20e20's at work, and have a damaged one at home that needs a few parts to repair(the screen is pincushioned heavily, and the pincushion control won't work.)

I use a 21" Sun branded Sony 5010pt at home now, does 1600x1200x75hz nicely, and if i could stand the flicker would do 2048x1536x60, still readable. The 20e20's will only do 65hz refresh at 1600x1200. Much fun to get THAT working under windows. I run them at 1400x1050x75 at work.

The 20e20's were built in about 1997 or so, and the 5010pt was built in 1999 if I remember right.

Both are trinitron's, and easily adjustable for focus/convergence.

I paid about 130 apiece for the last two 20e20's, shipped. I think the 21" was around 260 shipped, they're cheaper now on eBay which is where i got all four.

DEC VT420 (1)

unics (741003) | about 11 years ago | (#7984659)

I got a DEC VT420 (from '89) attached to a MicroVAX 3800 running OpenVMS 5.5-2.

HP A1097C (1)

jarran (91204) | about 11 years ago | (#7984679)

I'm typing this looking at my HP A1097C monitor. I believe it's 10 or more years old. It's 19", Sync On Green, fixed frequency running 1280x1024 @ 72Hz.

It came from an old HP X-Terminal, and I rescued it from being thrown out at a former place of work.

It has a few problems. It's Sync On Green, which means it won't work with most graphics cards. Luckily, Matrox video cards for some unknown reason are able to output a SoG signal.

It doesn't support DPMS.

Although it works fine under X windows, I've yet to discover how to get the Linux console to output the appropriate screenmode. Anyone who provides me with a recipe for converting X modelines to the equivelent options for the Linux framebuffer will be rewarded with eternal gratitude and brotherhood, and a pint of finest English ale should you ever visit Bristol.

Finally, it's VERY VERY heavy.

Apart from that, works a treat. Picture is still perfect and it's outlasted two other monitors which died at less than half it's age.

Re:HP A1097C (1)

unics (741003) | about 11 years ago | (#7984826)

Hi There!

I'm going to assume that you're running linux on x86, so...

Regards to adjusting your linux console text-mode, you'll need to compile Framebuffer Console support into your kernel. Then in your boot loader's configuration (e.g. grub, lilo) by adding the kernel argument vga=xxx

xxx can be replaced with the following:

640x480 800x600 1024x768 1280x1024
256 | 0x301 0x303 0x305 0x307
32k | 0x310 0x313 0x316 0x319
64k | 0x311 0x314 0x317 0x31A
16M | 0x312 0x315 0x318 0x31B

Meaning, if you wanted to run 1280x1024 in 16-bit color, you'd choose 0x31A.

Hope this helps!

Re:HP A1097C (1)

jarran (91204) | about 11 years ago | (#7985524)

This doesn't quite work, because the timing need to be quite specific.

However, this story prompted me to search on the web, and I found someone who had done plenty of experimenting and found the right timing etc.

Still doesn't quite work, unfortunately. Something odd with the screen updates.

E.g., if I type


Then move the curser to it's between the c and d, and then hit backspace I see


Instead of


Still, definite improvement over no framebuffer at all.

Ta anyway for the attempted help.

Re:HP A1097C (0)

x736e65616b (716393) | about 11 years ago | (#7985719)

that's only for resolution and bitdepth. his monitor is fixed-sync. it needs specific timings and a specific refresh rate. what you've provided offers no way of setting that. there's a lot more than that in a xf86 modeline. AFAIK, linux framebuffer won't do anything but 60hz refresh. -j

HP A4033A (1)

AceJohnny (253840) | about 11 years ago | (#7984731)

Still use an old hp workstation monitor. Bugger's fixed-resolution and fixed refresh rate (1280x1024@72Hz or 1024x768, don't have it next to me), and syncs on green. Makes it unusable on most modern video cards... but take a matrox card with Linux, and ta-da!
I love the fact that the linux driver developpers used an undocumented feature (the output chip COULD do sync on green!) in the driver. Bugger monitor weighs a ton, but I got my 21" screen for 0$ plus shipping costs (my arms).

Trinitron is the best (1)

bjb (3050) | about 11 years ago | (#7984735)

I'm still using a (not very old) 1996 Dell branded Trinitron 17" monitor. Not a darn thing wrong with it, except for a little discoloration from the days when I used to smoke heavily in front of the thing.

I wish I could still use my old Commodore 1960 monitor (Amiga), but I think there is a cold solder joint that went bad, and I've been too lazy to fix it myself, and a $60 bench charge on a monitor that most places probably can't get parts for isn't appetizing.

Several (1)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | about 11 years ago | (#7984830)

How about a 20" from 1997? Or a 15" CTX from 1993? Or best of all, a monochrome CGA laptop on a Toshiba T1200 from 1984?

my television (1)

self assembled struc (62483) | about 11 years ago | (#7984876)

is still my commodore 64 monitor from way back in '86. works better than most tvs i've owned.

i don't use it on my computer, but it's still a monitor.

The oldest.. (1)

MImeKillEr (445828) | about 11 years ago | (#7984889)

..I've got is a 17" that came bundled with a 486/100 circa 1994(?). One of my previous employers was going to have it hauled off with a bunch of other old equipment (and pay for the disposal) so I managed to convince them to let me have it. The case has gone yellow, but it still works well enough to act as a 2nd monitor for my primary machine.

Monitors are the first to die here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7984924)

Monitors have been the least reliable computer component at my place. They always seem to die within 2 years of being put in service.

I now have two NEC Muiltisync 3fg's (not sure of part number) that I bought used. They seem rock-solid. If this works out, I may hunt for more of these used. The new ones all seem to be built to fail.

Commodore 1084S (1)

Mprx (82435) | about 11 years ago | (#7984942)

I still use an ancient (released in 1986 I think) Commodore 1084S because it can sync to 15KHz horizontal refresh. This means that I can connect it to my PS2 (using a LM1881 [gamesx.com] to extract the horizontal and vertical sync signals from the composite signal). Graphics quality is much higher than with a TV.

CTX3700 Ultra Screen (1)

mraymer (516227) | about 11 years ago | (#7984952)

I'm not really sure how old my CRT is... I just checked powerstrip [entechtaiwan.com] , and it says "1998, ISO week 0" under date of manufacture. It was given to me by someone who couldn't stand the high pitch squeaky sound it makes at low refresh rates. ;)

Thankfully, it doesn't really do it at 1280x1024@85, so I kinda lucked out. It has some other issues though, namely, there's a bit of blurring that occurs in a certain part of the screen. I don't know if it is due to the guns wearing out or what. Anyway, for a free 19 inch monitor, I'm not going to complain. I like it.

Old Apple Monitor (1)

k4_pacific (736911) | about 11 years ago | (#7985021)

I still have an Apple II monitor. The Apple II monitor is great because it is color and uses a standard composite video signal and thus makes a great video monitor for use with a camcorder.

Let see (1)

vasqzr (619165) | about 11 years ago | (#7985052)

We have an 15 year old monitor that came with out Lucent phone system, black and white only, it's 13" or so, and it's used on some servers boxes in the back room.

Old Stuff (1)

digrieze (519725) | about 11 years ago | (#7985090)

I have an old 9" Heathkit amber monitor (NTSC video) I built for an Altair kit computer in the '70s. I think the monitor was a 1980 kit. It's currently hooked up to an old radio shack Tandy 1000HX next to my front door we use for a family calendar/in-out box/leave a note for mom thingy.

I also have two 1982 Magnavox separated video monitors (color), one is being used as a TV monitor on a VCR tape/DVD deck and the other still serves an ATARI 800XL (1 meg ram upgrade with 500 mb hard drive) that I use for quick letters, games, simple databases and of course, the ever present INFOCOM addictions.

Does my VT320 Count, or my Apple 2e monitor (1)

haplo21112 (184264) | about 11 years ago | (#7985185)

I have a VT 320 connected to my Linux machine, does that count.

I also have a working apple 2e that I turn on from time to time that has the original apple branded monitor.

No old monitors here (1)

Cecil (37810) | about 11 years ago | (#7985368)

I know a lot of people swear by ancient monitors, and whatever works for them is fine, but when I was looking to buy a monitor I dropped by my local computer surplus shop (They sell retired business equipment, overstock castoffs, liquidated equipment, etc.) They were very happy to hook a number up for me to show me how they looked. I looked at a beastly but rather old 19" Sony Trinitron monitor whose model number I forget, a completely ancient Sun 21" workstation monitor, and a nearly new Viewsonic P95+. All were within +/- $20 of each other.

Perhaps this is not the experience of everyone, but after adjusting all the controls to as good as I could get them and then seeing them hooked up next to each other, the Viewsonic blew the other two away in terms of brightness (without the SuperBright mode turned on), picture clarity, bright colors, as well as resolution and refresh rate.

Ultimately I picked out the Viewsonic, took it home and haven't ever been happier with a monitor. It had a severe case of melty-plastic-smell for the first two weeks or so, which I suspect is why it was given to the surplus shop in the first place. The smell is now gone completely and it really is a beautiful monitor.

However, I will say this: I trust Viewsonic so much, that 20 years down the road, I may be buying "ancient" Viewsonic monitors myself. ;)

My poor kids (1)

EnglishTim (9662) | about 11 years ago | (#7985382)

My poor kids are still stuck with the ancient 14" Amstrad monitor that came with my first PC, a 486-33SX. I say ancient, but I suppose it's only about 10 years old.

Maximum resolution is 800x600 and sometimes the screen goes pink. You have to hit the side of the screen for it to go back to normal.

And I wonder why they always use my computer...

Yup (1)

_narf_ (21764) | about 11 years ago | (#7985437)

Yes, I'm still using an HP branded GDM, and have my dad setup with a Digital branded one. Paid $20 a pop for them.

The dang cable to hook em up cost more than the monitor actually.

move to LCD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 11 years ago | (#7985471)

I've been gradually replacing all my CRT with LCD monitors. In fact I gave away a nice 19" monitor to my babysitter, since I replaced that system with a 17" iMac. the iMac looks better than the 19" CRT even though the res was 1600 x 1200. My current laptop has 1400 x 1050 and it blows away my viewsonic 19" LCD. I only have two CRT's left in my house: 17" monitor and 29" TV. Once I replace those two, I will be CRT free thank god. the space saving of LCD on my desk is tremendous. Plus, I find that LCD and flat screens are much easier on the eyes and do not cause eye exhaustion due to pixel jitter.

Oh, I do... (1)

cowbutt (21077) | about 11 years ago | (#7985511)

I use an ex-corporate 21" Sun-branded GDM-5010PT [sun.com] which I bought for about 100GBP nearly two years ago. Bargain.

I gave my dad my old 17" monitor, which was a Viglen Envy (probably MAG or something) that my employer had dropped down the stairs whilst moving. It's still working.

The only old monitors I don't still use are my PAL Philips 8852 from my Amiga days, and the 15" Iiyama which I bought with my first PC, back in 1995 for about 300GBP. That's the most expensive monitor I've ever bought!


I use an Apple III monitor from 1983 (5, Interesting)

John Harrison (223649) | about 11 years ago | (#7985516)

I have an Apple III monitor, built in 1983 that I have rewired to use as a analog visualization device on my home stereo. Don't try this at home! I have had a monitor of a different brand start smoking after doing this. I basically cut the wires leading to the coils at the back of the CRT tube so that they no longer get a signal from the board. Then I routed the stereo wires through them, left for horizontal and right for vertical. It makes fancy green images on my screen.

I have also written a little WinAmp pluggin to demo the effect, since you can't download my old monitor. It is here. [angelfire.com] Go into the Preferences panel, select Plug-ins, then Visualization. Select the vis_text.dll pluggin and then in the drop-down box at the bottom select Strange.

Double Headed Monster (1)

Dr. Bent (533421) | about 11 years ago | (#7985517)

I have two 21" Sony Trinitron monitors that are at least 10 years old. They're set up in a dual screen configuration, and I will never, ever, get rid of them. I've gotten too used to having all this desktop space that I'm not sure I can go back to something smaller, and it's going to be a long time before you can get good quality 21" LCD's at a price cheap enough for my employer to want to buy them for me.

Zenith (1)

Deanasc (201050) | about 11 years ago | (#7985534)

I have an old TV with a dial and simulated wood grain cabinet. I use it to play my Atari.

16 years (0)

x736e65616b (716393) | about 11 years ago | (#7985750)

I still frequently use an original apple 13" hi-res color monitor. it's fixed-sync 640x480@60 and full-color.

I got it when it was near-new.

it must be at -least- 16 or 17 years old.


Ahhh, Hercules... (2, Interesting)

lburdet (552112) | about 11 years ago | (#7985781)

The good 'ole Hercules orange on black 12" is all a 486 LRP router really needs...

I have.... (1)

cmowire (254489) | about 11 years ago | (#7985783)

Sun-branded Trinitron I picked up off the roadside in Mountain View CA.

My ancient 15 inch Trinitron (the last monitor I actually purchased, some 8 years ago) is currently suffering from a near-failure cable that my ex-roomate in college pushed over the edge. I have 2 17 inch trinitrons scavenged from work, one's old and one has a screen that was windexed.

Just bought a couple Sun monitors for cheap (1)

AragornSonOfArathorn (454526) | about 11 years ago | (#7985848)

I just got a pair of 21" Sun monitors for $100 each. They're about five years old, but work great and look great. They're no 20" LCD flat panel, but they get the job done for about 1/4 the price. Great for gaming! They'll do 1600x1200 at 85Hz, or 2048x1536 at 60Hz, heh. Much better than the POS NEC monitor I was using before...

Still USEING a 9 Year old Dell branded Samsung (1)

Unholy_Kingfish (614606) | about 11 years ago | (#7985867)

I had bought a new Dell PC back in 1995, a Pentium 100, and spent $800 on a 17" monitor. I have used it everyday since then.

I have gone through 7 PC's in that time(maybe 8), but the monitor has stayed. I have run at 10x7 most of that time. Can't run higher res, but is rock solid at 85Hz at 10x7.

I want to get something bigger, but this one works. I imagine my upgrade will be this year when I get a 42" WEGA LCD TV with a DVI connector. Come one, Doom3 in 5.1 and on a 42" LCD.... But I will keep the old girl around for when I want to use both at the same time.

An original NEC Multisync (1)

nortcele (186941) | about 11 years ago | (#7985881)

NEC Multisync that my dad had on his 286-10Mhz circa 1985. I'm too cheap to throw things away, and this dumb thing refuses to die. It does 640x480 barely, but I use it in text mode on my Linux server. This monitor is older than half the folks on Slashdot!

You know your monitor is old if it has a vertical hold adjustment knob.

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