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Uniquely Bright: Experiences and Tips?

michael posted more than 10 years ago | from the college-will-reset-your-expectations dept.

Education 1309

An anonymous reader writes: "I would like to hear from fellow /.ers that consider themselves unusually but non-traditionally 'bright' and how you have dealt with it. What are you doing now? What did you do for education? How is your life now? I'm on the verge of entering college, never having liked school much yet always in love with learning. I would like some tips, suggestions, and experience in living with an extra degree of intensity, depth, and general intelligence. I love learning, yet I never have found school enjoyable. I'm incredibly intense and concentrated, yet I often become bored of specific projects in a few months. It's not anything diagnosable (I've looked into it) but more an inherent trait. Academically, I have managed to be alright, but nothing spectacular. Lots of people I meet think I should have a 4.0 easy, but I'm pretty far from it. My interests are broad, from computers (linux/os x/php/mysql/etc) to photography to cookery, I'm creative and technical. Friends and others recognize my strength in these areas. I can't stand being completely technical alone, but I love it in moderation. My attention span is practically unlimited when I am interested in a topic, and I get intensely interested in it. I want to hear from people who share some or all of these traits. I'm just coming up on entering college, so most of my life is ahead of me. I'd like to hear about everything from your education to your career to things you wish you had done differently!" Sounds like an INTP to me.

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GNAA announces hostile takeover of Electronic Arts (0, Flamebait)

(GNAA)Zeikfried (782454) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409967)

GNAA announces hostile takeover of Electronic Arts
Zeikfried - Reuters, Nigeria.
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Advice (5, Funny)

SpaceCadetTrav (641261) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409969)

Drop out and start an Internet company. I hear that's the way to go these days.

Re:Advice (5, Insightful)

tha_mink (518151) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410048)

The real thing you need to do is get over yourself. You're not special. There's lots of people in this world that are just as smart as you. Once you get over yourself, the world is your oyster. "unusually but non-traditionally 'bright' "...jesus...Kill me. Get over yourself.

Ohhhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409971)

I would like to hear from fellow /.ers that consider themselves unusually but non-traditionally 'bright' and how you have dealt with it. What are you doing now?

On /. ???
Oh, the irony!

Re:Ohhhh (1)

wibs (696528) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410000)

The question is, do people think they're smart because they're smart, or smart because their mother thinks they are?

I have the pleasure of working with a lot of people who think they're god's gift to humanity. Quite frankly I wish I had the receipt.

zxv (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409974)

i am bright. i think.

Best Advice (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409978)

Be prepared for your spirit to be crushed

"Minority" Report. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409979)

"An anonymous reader writes: "I would like to hear from fellow /.ers that consider themselves unusually but non-traditionally 'bright' and how you have dealt with it."

Hey! No fair! You're discrimminating against all the stupid people, and that's not right.

stupid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409980)

All slashdotters are stupid.

College (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409981)

I couldn't take college and dropped out because of my arrogance, similar as yours. As a result I make 12 an hour for computer repair. It's not the boom anymore, kid.

had to do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409982)

fisrt post

"What are you doing now?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409983)

Reading Slashdot. Which speaks for itself.

Just know this: (5, Insightful)

Uncle Gropey (542219) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409986)

You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You may have to tough it up and take a path that is not enjoyable to you, as most of the rest of us normals have done, and save the soul-nourishing for the weekends and holidays.

Re:Just know this: (2, Interesting)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410105)

You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake.

Exactly the line I was thinking along. Good Fight Club reference, sir:

This is your life [lyricsbox.com]

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake
You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else
We are all part of the same compost heap
We are the all singing, all dancing, crap of the world

You are not your bank account
You are not the clothes you wear
You are not the contents of your wallet
You are not your bowel cancer
You are not your grande latte
You are not the car you drive
You are not your fucking khaki's

Don't listen to this cynic (2, Insightful)

freejung (624389) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410120)

You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake.

On the contrary, you most definitely are. And not only that, but you have a unique and beautiful contribution to make to life, you just don't know what it is yet. Don't worry about that. It will come to you in time.

The only good advice I can give you is to follow your heart. That may sound trite, but it's true. The Universe is way too complex for even the best brain to control and predict. You never know what's going to happen to you. It's far more important that you do the right thing than it is that you do what is a "good career move" or whatever.

Don't save your soul-nourishing for anything, get it in everything you do. If what you're doing doesn't nourish your soul, do something else. Don't feel you have to do any particular thing just because it looks like an easy path to money. The most extraordainary things can happen in life, so keep your eyes and heart open.

"Don't worry if you don't know what to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 20 what they wanted to do with their lives either. Some of them most interesting 40 year olds still don't." -- Utah Phillips

Re:Just know this: (2, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410132)

I would have to agree with this. It is also true of kids that are extraordinarily bright and very high achievers early on in life. The harsh reality that we all had to live up to was that you grow up and get a university degree, perhaps a doctorate (or two), and then you are just like everybody else you associate with, only you peaked earlier. I am still in my early thirties, but everybody around me is pretty much equally smart and accomplished. Some are happier than others so the secret is finding you niche, what it is that you like doing for a living and striving to continue making a difference. The really sad cases to me are the ones where folks make a name for themselves early on and then ride on their early efforts for as long as they can eventually becoming bitter.

On the other hand, you do tend to get opportunities that you would not normally receive, and I would encourage you to explore as many of those as possible. If you don't know what you want to do, go to a liberal arts college and see where that takes you.

Bullshit (1)

wurp (51446) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410152)

I felt the urge to respond the same way based on the way the post was written, but he *is* unique, just like everyone else. I don't mean that to be trite - everyone is truly unique.

You absolutely don't have to take the subjugated workaholic path, regardless of what some sour assholes may tell you. You can choose to worry less about having lots of disposable stuff and the latest style, and instead do the things you love that may pay less.

That said, if your attitude is "if I like it, I'll work hard and learn it well, and if I don't, I'll fail it and that's just me being myself", then I wouldn't even bother starting college with the intent of getting a degree. That won't cut it. You can find groups of people interested in the subjects you'll need in college and have engaging conversations with them, and learn the subjects well - but you have to take the initiative.

That's not to say you shouldn't go to college. But if you are proud of being non-traditional and OK with not doing well in traditional things, you will simply fail when you try to get recognized for doing traditional things.

That turned out more rambling than I intended. My point is, if you want a degree, change your attitude. If you're cool with yourself and just want to carve a life that you enjoy, set aside any materialistic hang ups you may have and live the life you choose.

My suggestion (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9409988)

Get over yourself. Only when you lose some of that cockiness will you begin to enjoy a meaningful and enriched life.

Re:My suggestion (1, Flamebait)

digistil (628921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410064)

How has this person been cocky in the least? This person is simply expressing themselves in an open and honest light, and I find your comments quite insensitive, unfounded, and from-the-hip. Likely you relate in some way as your comment jumps too quickly to be irrelevant. Figure out why this is, rather than using simple bullying tactics on others.

Re:My suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410145)

Wounded tiger, healthy sheep, wounded tiger, helathy sheep...

uhhh, tiger!

Ignore the parent! Maybe his personal view requires some kind of submission. Sounds like a useless Jesus freak to me. Find your own path.

I am similar, dynamic learner... (1)

Qweezle (681365) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409991)

The thing with school is that you really don't have a choice as to what you learn, you just learn.

I was never particularly fond of the study of the English language, but I loved discussion of meanings of stories and the like.

I was never fond of Geometry but loved Algebra...

It all has to do with being a dynamic learner, and you will find yourself a hell of a field in some technology setting, which is arguably the most dynamic sector in the world.

Re:I am similar, dynamic learner... (1)

MariaK (751690) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410059)

The thing with school is that you really don't have a choice as to what you learn, you just learn.

Oh, you don't have to learn. But it's true, you don't get much choice as to what gets tossed at you.

To the INTP... (1, Redundant)

soloport (312487) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410138)

My long lost twin! Welcome home!

But seriously, I got D's and F's all through gradeschool and highschool, except those classes which intrigued me -- chemistry, math, biology. When I got to college, to my surprise, I maintained a 4.0 average throughout. Go figure.

I think it has to do with self-direction. Usually, if I can chose the subject I want to focus on, I excel. Otherwise, if it's something that I have to learn, I can't focus enough mental energy to light a pen bulb.

I used to think the reason was related to travel. From birth, until I was college age, the average time I spent in one country was about three or four years. The longest I stayed in the same school was two years.

But now my oldest son (just entering college) has had the same issue with grades and he has lived in the same town his whole life. (So it's probably not environmental.)

Bottom line, you will probably LOVE college. Hang in there, bro!

PPPOP (2, Interesting)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409992)

Intelligent and similar traits as the poster has mentioned has led me to live a near miserable life. Education was never viable because I lost interest in the mind-numbing tasks assigned to me, and the way that only stupid people who are too ignorant to realise that the work assigned to them is trivial are praised for the bookworm success. You have to be stupid or entirely ignorant to be a successful person in this society crafted by charlatans and intellectual inferiors.

Failure to submit yourself to the stupidity of our self-crafted society just leaves you isolated and miserable.

Re:PPPOP (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410011)

Sorry about the typos there, it's very late and I submitted that without proof-reading. First word should read "intelligence", before some lame fucker tries to point it out in the quest for a "+funny" karma ego boost.

Re:PPPOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410023)

Someone didn't score well on their SAT

Re:PPPOP (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410042)

Somebody doesn't live in a country where SATs are taken. Every course I've taken without giving up has resulted in a grade B or above.

Re:PPPOP (1)

digistil (628921) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410093)

And someone doesn't realize SAT's mean squat. SAT's are not considered to be a determining factor of intelligence, rather they are only PROVEN to show how well one can study for a specific test.

Re:PPPOP (2, Insightful)

Gramie2 (411713) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410072)

Let's hope that this reader learns some lessons that you apparently haven't.

Happiness doesn't come from accomplishment, possessions, or the admiration/envy of others.

Happiness comes from within, and can mean accepting your own limitations, and the limitations of others. If you can't appreciate the qualities of those you term "stupid people," it will be hard for you to accept your own failings.

Being isolated and miserable isn't a result of "failure to submit yourself to the stupidity of our self-crafted society." It comes from not understanding how to form deep, committed relationships, in not finding joy in small, everyday things that are nonetheless wonderful.

There is a place for dissatisfaction with the status quo, for striving and achieving things that are new and unique. That's the path you take, not the goal, nor the meaning.

And always, always accept that sometimes other people do know better, and sometimes you are wrong. Humility is essential.

Re:PPPOP (1)

Doomrat (615771) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410101)

Let's hope that this reader learns some lessons that you apparently haven't. Happiness doesn't come from accomplishment, possessions, or the admiration/envy of others. Happiness comes from within, and can mean accepting your own limitations, and the limitations of others. If you can't appreciate the qualities of those you term "stupid people," it will be hard for you to accept your own failings. Being isolated and miserable isn't a result of "failure to submit yourself to the stupidity of our self-crafted society." It comes from not understanding how to form deep, committed relationships, in not finding joy in small, everyday things that are nonetheless wonderful. There is a place for dissatisfaction with the status quo, for striving and achieving things that are new and unique. That's the path you take, not the goal, nor the meaning. And always, always accept that sometimes other people do know better, and sometimes you are wrong. Humility is essential.

Oh, no need to go feeling pleased with yourself about being able to appreciate the things which really matter. I'm fully aware of those things, they practically define what I live for and chase in life. What I really mean regarding happiness in this context is in terms of the usual fitting in with society, graduating and getting the sort of job you always dreamed of getting. I should have probably explained this properly, but nobody asked my my life story and I've already given enough material to people who are going to make it today's mission to flame me for answering the qiestion the poster asked.

Re:PPPOP (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410133)

Or you could be smart enough to realize that the gateway to interesting work is to do the mind-numbing task.

One of the best things you learn in school is the discipline to carry on through things that need to be done. As a scientist, I can tell you that the ratio of time spent in deep thinking (which is fun) to time spent churning out the experiments and papers (which is often mind-numbing) is at least 1 to 20. If you think of yourself as above menial work, your thoughts will never escape your own head, however brilliant they are.

You don't have a choice but to submit to the system "crafted by charlatans and intellectual inferiors". The best you can hope for is to jump through the hoops, then once on the other side, order the hoops removed. If you fail to see this, you are not as bright as you claim; while if you do see this and are unwilling to do it, you are merely a whiner, lamenting that the world is not the way you want it. I don't have a lot of patience for that point of view.

uh yeah... (1)

bigNuns (18804) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409993)

and if you post a reply to this article you are totally full of yourself too...

oh wait...

Is this guy serious? (5, Interesting)

Moderator (189749) | more than 10 years ago | (#9409994)

Is this guy serious?

It sounds to me like this guy is insecure about his intellegence and is falling back on Slashdot to boost his confidence. He describes himself as "uniquely bright," but admits he hasn't done anything spectacular to merit this title. Lots of people use Linux; that doesn't make them smart. The same thing goes with not doing well in high school. It doesn't mean they were too smart for their education, it just means they were different. Heartbreak :(

I realize that a lot of geniuses didn't do well in high school, but then, they weren't labeled such until after they did something to prove themselves. I could label myself as a champion bodybuilder because I go to the gym everyday, but the truth is I'm only benching 225. The same principle applies: you can't call yourself something unless you can back it up.

You're going to college and you have the rest of your life ahead of you. Find something you're good at, and stick with it. Just don't fall into the mentality that if you fail at something, it's because you're too "bright."

Re:Is this guy serious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410054)

Ha, you know what's funny? I think I'm smart because I don't use Linux :)

I'd start another thread, but I'm lazy,

What do other people think about that?


Insecure is *right* (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410080)

Yeah - he could have a 4.0, he's just "different".

Yeah, just keep telling yourself that.....

Re:Is this guy serious? (1, Insightful)

Frisky070802 (591229) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410123)

From the story, I'd say "uniquely conceited" is more appropriate. But then, posting this on slashdot ought to take him down a peg or two if he reads the responses....

I've got a somewhat similar mindset (3, Insightful)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410005)

I found i really had to try and commit myself at university, otherwise i'd find myself with a final exam the next day writing some random perl code to catalog my music collection.

If you can channel your energy and focus on the not-so-interesting parts then you should do pretty well.

Once you're in the real world it's a bit different, but hopefully you can find a work environment that suits you.

Jesus (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410012)

All these posts, and the GNAA copy/paste troll beats them all, that's pretty bad.

Re:Jesus (1, Informative)

Quickfoot (319356) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410031)

Sounds like you could have Asperger's syndrome, it is on the autistic spectrum but very high functioning, you have quite a few of the symptoms.

I'd look into it, you can't take any blood test to be diagnosed, and most doctors would not diagnose you correctlyl, a huge percentage of people diagnosed with ADD or ADHD actually have Aspergers/High Functioning Autism.

Look in your phone book for a development disorder specialist, they should be able to tell you yes or no based on an evaluation.

Re:Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410078)

That's funny as hell

well (2, Interesting)

lancomandr (785360) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410015)

Yeah, you're unique, just like everybody else. I've learned that no one will really believe you or care. I appear to be very similar. I like linux, photography and cooking. I'm pretty creative although I can't apply it a lot of the time. I've failed simple classes three times in a row. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much of an area for people like us to flourish. Most of what I feel are strongpoints go completely unnoticed and unappreciated by anyone who doesn't know me really well. I'm kind of shy; when I create something I feel nervous about sharing it. Some people label me as a pure genius while others wonder if I could spell my own name. I've tried to do the usual gig that everyone else seems to be doing but I just can't. I myself just turned 17 yesterday, and will be attending a community college starting this summer quarter after miserably failing my last 3 years at a college-prep oriented highschool. Depending on what college you're attending and what you plan on studying, you may find either that you continue to go unappreciated and suppressed, or that you have found a wonderful environment for growth and honing of your talents. After spending a little bit of time around the campus, I've come to expect the latter for myself when I begin in a few weeks. Good luck.

Re:well (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410136)

I don't feel like playing amateur psychologist today, but I suspect there are more people around with your mindset than you might realise at that age. I met quite a few at university, and discovered that they are very good at some things, and very bad at others. Many things, including their job satisfaction and their value to an employer, depend on how well they play to their strengths.

For example, it seems they can achieve a relatively large amount in a given period of time if they are interested in what they are doing, making them very good at brief but difficult tasks where they can focus. On the other hand, they seem to be quite easily distracted by things they find more interesting, which can be a strain if you're trying to keep up a regular 9-5 job in any technology industry: in the real world, there's a lot of grunt work that needs to be done too.

IME, people with this sort of mindset tend to be natural "starters" rather than "finishers", and go for the big picture rather than the details -- they're better at producing innovative ideas than dotting the i's and crossing the t's. I've concluded that they are the natural candidates for "leading edge" research posts: let them wander with their heads in the clouds, and let those with more pragmatic, solid mindsets turn the useful ideas into reality.

Aw, crap. I wasn't going to go amateur psychologist. But hey, there you go, maybe it'll provide some ideas for you to play with.

It's called (3, Funny)

JTMON (313481) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410018)

Obsesive compulsive disorder....I pretty much sound just like you and that's exactly what it is....good luck! :)

discipline (5, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410021)

You will have to focus and refine your talents to get anywhere. The ability to work really hard for a short time when you happen to feel like it won't help you any. Otherwise you will feel cheated when those without your "raw ability" whiz by you in life.

College Life (4, Informative)

Laivincolmo (778355) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410022)

Unfortunately in today's business setting, some sort of official training is neccesary. Even if you have spent 10 years of your life working with computers every day, you still unfortunately need a college degree. I'm planning on going to college in the fall and enduring the classes while also learning through experience. I think it was Herman Hesse in Siddhartha who said something about it being impossible to be taught anything. The experience is everything...

Like me Pappy always used to say.... (5, Insightful)

odenshaw (471011) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410024)

College is so you can show the employer that you can deal with a whole bunch of bullshit... stuff you didn't want to do and still did anyway.

Re:Like me Pappy always used to say.... (3, Insightful)

bandy (99800) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410083)

employer that you can deal with a whole bunch of bullshit

Because you're going to be dealing with bullshit for the rest of your life.

Sad but true. Find a job that you can live with until retirement. Have interesting hobbies. Don't talk about them at work - work is supposed to be your hobby, and I don't mean that you admit to doing recreational programming. The Boss thinks he owns you 100%.

Like me Pappy always used to say....Horse farm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410141)

And here I thought I was on the right career path.

Re:Like me Pappy always used to say.... (1)

jabberjaw (683624) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410158)

Also, don't think that this is avoidable by going into the hell that is academia. You don't believe me? Ask any grad student or post doc.

Here's a tip (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410025)

Time to start doing acid.

College (2, Informative)

moertle (140345) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410028)

I hope you are going to a school that offers a wide range of degrees. I always liked taking spare electives in non-technical classes. Also I would get into a good research program, usually this means paying your dues by volunteering your time until you prove yourself useful. I worked in 2 research centers and they offered enough diversity where I could change gears every couple of months. Also my current job has been a commercial spin-off of the research lab I was working in. So it can be pretty rewarding.

the smart thing to do (1)

loid_void (740416) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410029)

turn off your mind, relax, float downstream...

Find something you like... (5, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410030)

...and then do it.

A lot of people (especially in here) are going to tell you "yeah, I'm the same...this is what you should do"
"Shut your whiney cakehole. Go to school, get a job, and go to work."

All bullshit.

Sample many things over the next few years, find something you like to do, and then go do it. After that, all bets are off.
If you can't find something you like to do, something that fits in you mindset at the moment...do something anyway! If it sucks...too bad. You still need to, at the very least, support yourself. Because I won't. And neither will the next guy. And your parents shouldn't have to.

college isn't for you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410034)

If you can't bring yourself to do things you do not enjoy, you may as well not go... sometimes you have to do things that are boring. Sometimes you have to do things you do not want to do. Life is not about satisfying your lack of commitment to pull your own weight in society. We are not here to keep you entertained. Sounds like you're looking for some place you can just do whatever pleases you and not do anything else.. I hear Australia has good welfare programs for people like you - and the netherlands, too.. in fact, you'd probably be happy anywhere in Europe, where you're expected to be a lazy ass mooch on the rest of the world. What pisses me off the most is that those of us in the top 1% are expected to carry the weight of the bottom 40% just because.. I pay damn near 2 million in income taxes every year, a third of which goes to social programs that keep people like you breathing, only to have you reproduce and introduce more bloodsucking leeches... it's unfortunate that the bottom 40% reproduces like cockroaches because the number of useless barnacles is far outpacing our ability to keep you breathing... the system will eventually collapse.

Ok, enough of that tirade... get a fucking job...

Mostly, go with the flow. (2, Insightful)

Gyan (6853) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410036)

Don't try too hard to beat or overtake the system. It frequently happens that the class/project/whatever is too slow and/or easy for you. Don't get distracted and procrastinate on something else. Societies and formal institutional systems don't give free reign or tolerate deviants too much unless someone in power recognizes your potential and empathizes. There will be a few aspects where you can do as you wish, but not on the whole. It's not very optimistic advice, but it's practical.

Discover how fucked up the world is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410037)

And plot to erase the scum that is the bulk of humanity and start afresh...


Go into an interesting major (1)

Avsen (556145) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410038)

I guess the major piece of advice is to go into a major you're interested in. However, though you might not enjoya class's topic, you shouldn't ignore it completely. Your undergrad GPA might not be important in the long run (10-20 years), but it's crucial for landing initial interviews in companies which could accelerate your career.

Hmm (1)

Fullmetal Edward (720590) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410040)

The way I find it easiest to learn is to STFU and do it (no offence but it's how I work best). It's all fine and dandy saying "Microsoft says I can do it and gives me paper", but look at alot of tech support, half of them are useless and the other half spend all their time trying to help the useless staff members.

Get your hands on and use a PC/Mac/whatever it is you want to do as much as you can. It's by far the best way to learn.

Bwuhhaha! (1)

sumac (714320) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410041)

Looking for insight on /. into how to cope with "brightness" is like asking Pol Pot how be a kinder gentler leader. Take your self congratulatory diatribe back into you mind where you may (or may not) find some support. It's virtual proof that by posting a question on /. you are in fact "not bright". MENSA wanna-be fool. ...as I wander back into my place in the stupid masses...

My experience... (5, Insightful)

bishr (262019) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410043)

My experience with this is limited, but that a lot of postgraduate education is not set up for your type; they're looking for people with more discipline, who will see projects through to the end and get published (and possibly make advancements in whatever field).

Your type of intelligence frustrates many people because it's not helpful; to produce usable software or make advancements in practically any field, you need to focus on them for a long time; I'd say that most of the "obvious" or "easy" discoveries have been made, and much of the research out there is fine-tuning what we know.

The best thing to do is to find a mentor, someone who has a similar mindset. You may find one at your institution, but you shouldn't rule out looking further. In order to do discover or create something important, you need to overcome this... Of course, lots of very effective managers and adminstrators are like this; expand your search for a mentor to maybe the field of business... And check your ego at the door. You may think you're incredibly bright, but just wait until you hit postgraduate education. I'm in medical school, and some of the people around me are exceedingly intelligent, and others are average joes like me. The higher you go, the more you realize you're not "uniquely" anything.

[OT] What's the deal with osnews.com? (0, Offtopic)

rolling_bits (754633) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410044)

I can't access it.

Growing up... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410045)

I was considered pretty bright. People kept complaining about the glare. So I started wearing shades, and things are cool with everyone now.

I feel ya brother... (3, Funny)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410047)

I'm in the same situation,

If I really enjoy a subject, I get very deep into it. Take for example Grand Prixs. I love my 96 Grand Prix, I'm a member of the National Grand Prix club, work on everything myself, and can resite stats and shit off the top of my head. But I don't want to do car, I don't want to be a mechanic, so that does me absolutly no good at all.

I also tend to fade in and out of hobbies. About once a year I will really get into FPS games for about a month or two, bone back up on them, and be pretty damn good. Then I just stop, it quits interesting me.

I just finished my first year of college. The only advice I can give is, just get through it, and once you have your degree, you can do anything you want. I originally had a major of Computer Engineering, but after becoming extremely frustrated with Electronics, I switched to game design, basically CS with some art tossed in. I really enjoyed electronics at first, I learned alot, and I did a few projects in my spare time. Then, I just stopped liking it. It left the realm of usefullness and became boring. I don't need to know how to bias transistor networks and stuff to do a few hobby electronics projects, and that was all I was really interested in to begin with.

I'm sure my new degree will do the same thing, I'll go with the programming for a while, then it will become boring, and I no longer will enjoy the projects we are doing, they will become to mundane and useless.

So, all I can say is struggle through it, and when you graduate, you will find what you want to do. I really want to be a sys admin. Its what I find interesting. A nice mix of hardware, software (but not alot of programming), and networking. Hopefully I can tought it through the next 3 years of school, and then find a job doing what I enjoy.

What to do? (1)

Grell (9450) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410049)

Find an advisor as widely intrigued by different things as you are who is open to a bit of tinkering with your schedule.

Blow away the core courses the first year or so.

Then use that advisor to fine tune a program for you.

It's a bit of work but your best bet of gaming a system not set up to deal with you.

And remember, once you have the degrees you feel you require; you can then do whatever you want afterwords.

Oh. one more thing interships, preferrably with someplace unique, and don't forget, th really important point of going through college isn't absorbing the information. The important point of going to college is learning how to interact w/ your peers, if you can find any.

Good luck,


p.s. If your really, really bright? watch "Real Genius", it's funny; but there's some lessons in their too.

Smart enough for a 4.0 but don't have it? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410050)

After you've been out having to work for a living 40+ hours a week, you'll find yourself thinking how easy it would have been to have gone to class, studied, did your homework, and got that 4.0

It ain't smarts, it's effort.

Distance Education (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410051)

If you can get by without any social interaction, you'll probably find that Distance Education will keep you happiest. You can study at your convenience (as long as you have the discipline to do so) and do all the 'soul-nourishing' activities that others have mentioned. It's college, once you start working your free time will disappear forever. Enjoy it to the utmost while you have it.

ME TOO (1)

Josh Booth (588074) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410057)

You have almost described me exactly. Of course, your description was also fairly general. I actually do rather well in school, considering. I'm ~13th out of ~280 HS seniors. However, I find that I tend to like a well defined project to do and research, but get daunted at huge amounts of research. This is why my project to program a symbolic math program has stalled, because I don't know enough theory (I'm mostly self-taught) and why most of my other programming projects fail, since learning how to do widgets in any language is hard since there are so many and different models. Like I said, I do well with a well defined project, and I often treat schoolwork as one.

Justify Yourself (3, Interesting)

CommunistTroll (544327) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410058)

Why should society recognise you? Why should we all say what a wonderful person you are?

You are part of a ruling elite that sits around wondering "Why isn't my genius praised?" while brighter, better people than yourself suffer hunger, violence and deprevation

You want me to take you seriously? Ditch the capitalistic darwinistic me-me-me anti-enlightenment bullshit and find something bigger than yourself to fight for.

Even fundamentalist christians display more charity than you. Get a life. Join an aid organisation. Join your brothers and sisters in fighting for justice and equality.

Recognize that the core reason why no-one cares for your unique talents is that under capitalism, you are only worth what you can sell those talents for. Got a talent for sport? Have millions. Got a talent for being nice to people? Sucker!

coping with brilliance (1)

defishguy (649645) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410060)

I go into a dark cellar at midnight without a flashlight to look for a black cat that isn't there.

It's called "Renaissance Man" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410067)

Search through history for others. They exist. Franklin, Jefferson, Edison. Follow in the footsteps of these giants.

Do whatever interests you, but do it well. Pursue seriously, but do not dabble. It is far too easy to become attracted to the beginnings of one distraction after another, instead of the harder-fought completion of one fulfillment after another.

You are not alone.

Consider a non-traditional school (2, Informative)

suitti (447395) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410074)

I wanted an engineering degree. External discipline is a waste of time for me. Given something I'm interested in, I'm plenty self-motivated.

For engineering, I went with Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester Mass. When I was there, it was strictly pass/fail, with failing grades dropped from the transcript. I understand that it's now A/B/C with failing grades dropped.

It's no joke. It's quite expensive, and only about 30% actually get a degree. However, you get the freedom to take the courses you want and persue projects free form. There are two degree requirement projects. Mine both required four terms (semesters). I worked both in teams, though that isn't strictly required.

External, forced discipline is, in my opinion, demotivational. However, it appears that most people require it.

WPI is good for undergraduate education in Engineering and a few sciences (chemistry, physics, etc.). Don't even consider it if this isn't what you want.

No school prepares you with knowledge needed for what you'll do next. WPI prepares you with how to figure out how to aquire new skills as you need them. If you get this, you are ahead of the game.

Your first textbook should be ... (5, Informative)

garyok (218493) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410079)

... "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. Forget about how damn clever you think you are, just remember that all anybody has ever really been doing is trying to give you a boost when they tell you you're clever. You're not that clever. No-one is. Everybody has their own talents (and deficiencies) and people deserve respect, not some teenage nitwit telling them they're all dummies in comparison to him. Try to be clever and and 'beat' people in arguments and you'll only piss people off.

You want to learn something useful: it's better to be kind than clever.

Re:Your first textbook should be ... (3, Funny)

wibs (696528) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410135)

That's an ironic sig to have after that post.

My suggestion (1)

Froze (398171) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410081)

From my personal experience. I got my GED when I was 16 and *dropped out*, tried my hand and a dozen blue colar, under the table jobs for about ten years (once I developed appreciable skill, I got bored and started a different job). Finally got frustrated because I wanted to talk about things more interesting than whether or not the cattle had been moved on/off the back 40 and enrolled in college. Never been happier, every class was a new challenge and the topics where as diverse as I cared to enroll in. Currently working on my PhD in Physics and still like it (8 years of academia and counting).

So the way I see it is you have two choices, the school of hard knocks or a legitamate university somewhere. If you are not into hoop jumpin (I certainly wasn't at your age) then strike out on your own and do whatever you feel like. Take any opportunity that comes your way and don't worry about anythinig. On the other hand, if you are ok with a bit of administrivia, get into the academic life, I think you will find the wide variety richly rewarding (not to mention that the people you will meet will generally be of somewhat higher calliber).

Philosophic Education (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410084)

Based on a similar profile, and now being 25, I would suggest the following things:

- Enroll in University, preferably one that you can enjoy (good campus, good faculty)
- Learn Languages (greek, latin, french, german etc...)
- study Math and the scientific method
- study philosophy and the dialectic and intelligible methods of proof

Knowing languages will give you access to information and learning from across the world and from periods in the past without rellying on translations. Studying math/sciences with give you methods of proof and practise in rigourus thinking. All of these are precursors of a "philosophic" or Great Books education. Further to these subjects, explore the history of ideas, i.e. philosophy. Start with Classical thinkers, such as Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Plotinus etc... etc...
From there progress through history, examining original works in their original languages and their counter-arguments.

For example, Plato's educational ideas were contrary to those of Isocrates, read both, understand the proofs, and if you've done it right, you'll have the tools to generate your own proofs and ideas.

It took me 8 years to discover this type of education is what I wanted out of life, I wish someone had explained this to me when i was 17.

This type of education does not preclude learning about computers, botany, cooking etc.... But it provides you the methods and intellectual skills to examine and understand the arguments for yourself and decide what you wish to study and how to justify your beliefs.

I hope this helps give you some ideas for your future.

(brief biography: graduated with honours from highschool, attempted university for 2 years, dropped out, wasted time for several years, completed a diploma from a community college in networking, re-enrolled in philosophy at university and discovered the above, which is what i'd been searching for my whole life)

Do something *REALLY* hard. (3, Insightful)

Dasein (6110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410087)

So, I was in the "gifted" program going through schools and it was all pretty easy for me as well. My big regret is that I didn't work harder at academics to begin with. I ended up getting a job instead. Although I've learned a lot and accomplished a lot, I've always wondered exactly what I missed by staying in school and working really hard. I look back on all the money and career success and I frankly hold it pretty cheap.

So my advice, is find the hardest major in which you're interested and go work your ass off. Then, when you get to be my age and look back on it, you won't have to wonder because you went all out and did something really hard.

May not need to finish college (1)

Alternate Interior (725192) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410088)

I'm very much an INTP, and fit the poster's description as well. Hated school, likes learning. I registered for college, cause that's what you're supposed to do. Finished the first semester with a 4.0, had to force myself to register for the next semester. One of my teachers in semester one told me about a job opening in the company she works for. So I applied and got hired as a programmer. With 1 college CS class and 1 high school CS course under my belt. Admitadly, I'm self taught over many years in programming, but still, that's all the formal education I have. Continuing college isn't a condition of holding the job.

So check into something like that. Doesn't have to be programming, but as long as you aren't living in Silicon Valley or anywhere like that, you may well be able to get a good job without the degree.

Exceptionally bright? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410097)

I'm the dullest tool in the suite of arms, you insensitive clod!

I was in the same boat (2, Insightful)

gothzilla (676407) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410098)

I was just like that when I was younger. Kept getting put in honors and advanced classes because of my intelligence yet finished high school with a 2.05 GPA because I was so bored and couldn't get into the subjects. Tried college and I just wasn't into it. Ended up joining the military so I wouldn't have to work for minimum wage anymore. Seriously, suck it up and finish college. The regret of not finishing lasts a lifetime.
I found that spending a lot of time studying things I liked helped deal with the more mundane aspects of life. You don't have to end up in a dull job though, no matter what you like or are good at, there can be good money to be made doing it if you plan and think ahead. Every career has good paying jobs and bad ones, and the good paying jobs are far fewer. Welders can make some money welding mufflers, or they can learn underwater welding and make serious cash.
Most importantly, don't let anyone tell you what you should do for a career. Most people won't be able to comprehend your situation and offer good advice. I let a girl talk me into being a physics major and even though I was plenty smart enough to do it, it wasn't something I was very interested in and failed miserably.
Find your interests and follow your heart.

Welcome to the club... (1)

Yaa 101 (664725) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410100)

Just do what you wanna do, but do it instead of talking about it...

That's all...

Good luck!!

I'm with you... (2, Insightful)

stevens (84346) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410104)

I was in the same boat. If a topic interests me, I eat it up with vigour. If I'm uninterested or bored with it, I can't even force myself to do it. Result in school? A mix of A+ and C-.

I went into programming because it interested me. I was lucky that it is also a very unregulated industry--you don't need a string of letters after your name; my Bachelor's does fine. This is important for people like us, because you want a career where knowledge counts but certificates don't (as much).

My advice is: never stop learning, but don't waste your time with too much school. I declined grad school because I thought I'd die from boredom; but after a few of years working I have a position where I basically get to direct my own work to what I find interesting. Businesses need self-learning, independent thinkers. Trust me, I'm trying to hire, and while there are many "trained" people, there are few with an agile mind and good judgment. We have enough drones.

Don't drop out of your undergrad--it's great fun! But try to slog through the boredom, and learn as much as possible on the way. Good luck with school, but remember to get out before you lose your mind.

Sounds to me.. (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410107)

Sounds to me like you are a borderline sociopath. I can identify with most (in fact, nearly all) of the post, but I don't burden others with my feelings of superiority, and toot my own horn about how bloody different and smart I am. That is being an asshole. If you are looking for validation about how smart you are and how you have broad tastes and interests, look elsewhere.

You're unique, just like everybody else. (1)

Digitus1337 (671442) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410109)

I love information and knowledge, but HATED high school. I just got word last weekend that I squeezed through and recieved a diploma. My test scores got me into university and i'm set to start there in a few months. I've tried to keep busy by learning outside of school and the traditional circuits.

Be aware.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410110)

If you seek perfection in anything you do, you will never finish anything.

add or asperger's? (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410113)

positive add:
add [borntoexplore.org]

personal asperger's:
asperger's [kuro5hin.org]

Re:add or asperger's? (1)

Billobob (532161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410151)

Just out of curiousity, is it possible anymore to be smart and not have some "syndrome" or "disorder" be at the roots? Or maybe, just *maybe*, we are going to come up with a name for every type of personality. How about "Blondititus syndrome" for being overly chirpy, or "Assholus Maximus" being a dick to everybody?

google cache for INTP (1)

Billobob (532161) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410114)

the main site took about 3 minutes to load for me, blah blah blah im a karma whore whatever blah blah blah... link []

What you need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410115)

Thomas Edison said genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.

You're probably a creative person with a lot of imagination. But if you never learn to focus and develop the discipline to see your dreams to completion, you'll never know if you're a genius or just conceited.

You can't be a great writer, physicist, programmer, entrepreneur, musician or anything without a LOT of work. If you can't meet the eventual challenges of tedium and frustration inherent in any discipline, then expect to find yourself in career that never challenges you.

Buckle Down, Finish the Undergrad Stuff (1)

thepustule (229709) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410116)

Plot down everything you have learned on a time scale of when it was "discovered". The math you've learned so far, for instance, is hundreds of years old. You're about to start your college undergrad years, where you begin working that timeline right down to the present.

You're going to have to buckle down and slug through those years like everyone else, and round out that brain of yours. You might think you're oh so special, and you may very well be, but it'll all be a lot more useful if you "do the time" and stick it through college to the end and get your paper. Lots of "bright" people sound really stupid because they're in a discussion they know nothing about because they never learned the full complement of "stuff" that you need to know to make your way in this world.

By the time you finish your undergrad years, you'll have brought that time-scale of things right down to the point where professors are teaching you stuff they just discovered last week. That's when you're getting somewhere! And then - maybe - you'll have an opportunity to use that "brightness" and contribute to the body of knowledge and make this planet a better place.

Or you can make the same blunder I did, and walk away from a possible academic career, to become yet another cog in the mindless, exploitative business world, where everything exists but to add fat to the shareholder.

I'm not bitter - Honest! Ah - give me a fork...

Get over yourself. You are just LAZY. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410117)

You described the adolescent life of what likely amounts to 90% of the readership here. You want to know what to do with yourself?

1. Always choose right over wrong. Don't start harping about "what's right?" You know what it is. When faced with a decision, choose right.

2. Do NOT quit. If you start something, FINISH it. Leaving things undone leaves YOU undone. You think you are not yet achieving your potential? Try adopting this rule.

3. When you cross paths with someone, try to leave them better for having met you. You'll be surprised how much this one contributes to your own sense of worth.

That's it.

I feel ya. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410122)

yer fucked, get over it. no, kidding. you aren't all that unique though, there is a whole subsection of the population that falls into your category(myself included) my advice is to focus on the thigns your bad at, otherwise your going to fall on your face hard and not be able to do the things you are good at later. it sucks, i know, but school has to get done to get the interesting jobs, other wise all the bastards on slashdot will get them, and you'll end up working at mcDonalds. (i speak from experience here as well, i am a better sys admin than most of them out there, but untill i get that precious degree, no one wants to hear from me. oh well....)

It's all about focus, not brains (1)

grqb (410789) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410124)

One thing that I've learned is that brains mean pretty much nothing...even in University. If you can't motivate yourself to work on things that you don't like, then you won't be productive, no doubt about it. Think of all the courses that you'll be forced to take, dollars to doughnuts you won't like half of them. The same goes for anything you do, you'll always get assigned projects that you won't be interested in.

The trick is to learn how to force yourself into enjoying something.

Don't Listen to These Bitter Losers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410125)

To me you sound like someone that might make a name for themself someday. The trick is to find something that you love that will make a living for you and dig into it. I'm going to go out on a limb and give a quantitative testimony. I have an IQ of 153. Higher than average, but a lot lower than some of my friends, particularly my wife. I had terribly mediocre grade in high school (C- average) and went straight into music school, then dropped out after a year. For two years I worked as a cook. Eventually I went back to school, got a bachelor's degree and master's degree in aerospace engineer, worked for NASA, and then started my own company. Now I work as a consultant and do what I love (software). I work from home and travel when I need to. Here's my suggestion: don't listen to these people. If you're really bright, and you work hard at what you love, you'll be successful. My family attributes my success to being "reasonably bright" and extremely persistent. What I HAVE seen, is a lot of very bright people without any real ambition. Sounds like most of your naysayers fall in the same category.

something uniquely odd about your 'question' (1)

malus (6786) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410126)

Am I the only reader who thinks this ask slashdot 'question' resembles a match.com profile more that a question?

Reserve the word Bright (3, Interesting)

bstadil (7110) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410130)

The headline really irritates me as I was hoping the word Bright was gaining traction in the Do not believe in a deity [the-brights.net] sense.

Why not use intelligence in it's many forms for what the guy is after.

Atheist has a negative meaning foisted upon us by the Theists that seems to be unable to accord the Faith "reasoning" to non-theists that they themselves hold so dear.

Don't use high school as a benchmark... (1)

Blrfl (46596) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410131)

College is a whole different ballgame. Unless you take a few semesters of independent study on a single project, nothing you get assigned to do is going to run any longer than the end of the semester. That'll help with the short attention span.

Most of the people I went to high school with that had good grades fell on their faces in college because the coursework went beyond memorize-and-regurgitate and into critical thinking. A lot of people who couldn't do M&R very well and came out of high school with only "fair" grades (i.e., myself) did very well in college and life.

Go to college, find something interesting to engross yourself in, work hard and have some fun doing it and it'll turn out fine.

Pursue a broad education (1)

Amigori (177092) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410142)

I'm am about to finish my BBA and I would also consider myself extremely intelligent, when I want to be. I also have a broad range of interests, found high school to be a bore, and have friends who believe I am a true genius. I used to love computers and they took a large portion of my time and I even did them professionally for a while after high school. However, I did not go down the road to a CS or computer-related degree for various personal reasons.

So here is my advice. Try not to enroll in a program that has all 4 years planned out to the t for you. There will be nothing fun in that schedule. Setup your first year or two as liberal as you like. Take some English classes, even if numbers are your game, take an art class and a creative writing course to help your creativity. Those classes will indirectly help your coding skills by showing you how to develop creative solutions to complex problems. If you're not going into science, chances are you will need a science or two plus lab, so take something you are fascinated with or something you know nothing about. Take a PE class to help stay in shape because that urban myth, "The Freshman Fifteen" is certainly true; plus it will help introduce you into people outside of your field of study. Take a class that will force into discussions with women, as we know, this is /. and we aren't known for our wonderful social skills. Doing so will help your social skills, if you let yourself, plus you never know who you might meet. A few friends of mine who are in engineering school rarely see women in their classes, but my nursing friends see women everyday.

I guess my best advice is that when you get to school, go meet people, join some clubs, and for the love of your sanity, DO NOT sit behind your computer all day, every day. Socialize! It will be worth it in the long-run.


finish what you start (1)

moojin (124799) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410147)

I don't fit your description exactly, but the following two lines of your submission are similiar to my own experiences:

"I'm incredibly intense and concentrated, yet I often become bored of specific projects in a few months."

"Lots of people I meet think I should have a 4.0 easy, but I'm pretty far from it."

I have one piece of advice for you: "Finish what you start." Think about it for a while. At first, you may not know what I am talking about or you may not think it applies to you, but try to relate it to your life. If you do know what I mean, then try to a method to get yourself to "Finish what you start." If you still don't know what I mean, then sorry to have wasted your time.

Just my two cents...

Focus on skills (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#9410149)

If you truly are an INTP, you have a difficult path ahead. Focus on developing the skills that you lack- the social skills and the follow through if you want to be successful. That includes following through with College because its a measure thats more important than personal genius to employers, and despite any genius potential you have, you have to sustain yourself. For you to find your genius, you'll need to have a degree to get a job and sustain your life while you persue your own dreams.

Don't start an internet company until you've mastered the skills you lack- and if you don't know what those skills are, then you're not ready and need to live more.

Also, realize that you are not unique- I am lucky to work with a group of people who have IQ's above 130. I never elevate myself above others because I think of myself as smart- maybe once developed intelligence was rare, but its not raw intelligence that will take you places. Develop the people skills, and the traits you'll need to manipulate others- like it or not, thats what will make you successful.

What are we doing? (4, Funny)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 10 years ago | (#9410155)

I would like to hear from fellow /.ers that consider themselves unusually but non-traditionally 'bright' and how you have dealt with it. What are you doing now?

The same thing we do every night, try to take over the world.
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