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Taking My Freedom With Me to China?

Cliff posted more than 9 years ago | from the censor-me-not dept.

Censorship 1392

Solo Han asks: "I'm considering a move to China next year, and while I have just as many problems as y'all do with the government, I still like the freedoms afforded me, especially when it comes to access of information. Chinese citizens, however, do not have the same freedoms, as we are constantly reminded here on slash-o-dot. Pr0n, mp3z, and games aside, what are the things that those of you in the Celestial Kingdom know you cannot access, and specifically, what are the websites, search engines, news sites, and other sites that are classed as potentially 'dangerous' material? This brings me to my overall question: is the censorship that real, that hard to get around, and how do you do it? What methods and technologies are you aware of or use to circumvent the Great Firewall of China?"

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Well... (5, Funny)

rackhamh (217889) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496317)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Does that answer your question?

Re:Well... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496409)

I visited and found I had internet access to everything I needed. However, I had VPN access so there is a good chance I might have simply missed something completely because I was using my US server.(Because RDP is much less latency sensitive so the Terminal Server connection was faster for surfing US websites than a typical browser)

Regardless, I found the place to be a blast, but I have to admit you do tend to stay on you best behavior because you constantly bump into police with very large automatic weapons.

Re:Well... (3, Funny)

rackhamh (217889) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496455)

Off-topic? You must be joking. Okay, maybe you're not, so let me run it down for you...

We're talking about censorship.

I clicked on the article and got the message, "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along" -- which, if you have half a brain, you know is a phrase commonly used when people are trying to hide or cover up something.

Therefore perfectly relevant and (IMO, though others may disagree), kind of humorous.

Honestly, didn't you have a better use for those moderator points?

R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (5, Insightful)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496318)

What methods and technologies are you aware of or use to circumvent the Great Firewall of China?

Somehow I don't think it's wise to do such circumvention if you want to stay there short-term/long-term/permanently.

What would US officials think if a foreigner, who is planning to move to USA, talks about how stupid the whole security thing is, and asks for advice to get around it?

If USA can attack another country "Just Like That"(tm), I would consider Chinese's censorship a godsend given it's only imposed within its own country. If you decided to move there, respect its laws; if you don't agree with its laws, go somewhere else. You always have a choice.

At home I have unlimited access to the internet, but at work I can only access port 80, and I would never try to get around company's security policy because it's restricting my freedom to surf, although others might still try that.

And remember, when you get caught, it's going to be ugly no matter where you are.

So in my opinion, if you want to go into other's territory, make sure you find out what can and cannot be done there, and stick to the rules.

Re:R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (1, Insightful)

E2Hawkeye (180998) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496383)

So, I take it that never attempting to make things better for yourself or others is part of your personal belief system?

"I would consider Chinese's censorship a godsend given it's only imposed within its own country."

I am having a hard time deciding if you are trolling or not....

Re:R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (2, Insightful)

LucBorg (853592) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496406)

I couldn't agree more. Well said!

Re:R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (2, Insightful)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496443)

If Hitler can murder 12 million people, I consider Stalin to be a godsend, because he's only killing Soviets.

Nope, doesn't work.

Chinese censorship imposed beyond China (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496454)

' Chinese's censorship a godsend given it's only imposed within its own country '

It is also imposed outside of China's borders: upon Tibet.

Re:R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (1)

toggles (560010) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496486)

but at work I can only access port 80, and I would never try to get around company's

http://www.agroman.net/corkscrew/

Just Like That? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496488)

"If USA can attack another country "Just Like That"(tm), "

If this "other country" launches hundreds of unprovoked attacks against your peacekeepers (as Iraq did against UK and US) over several years, refusing to stop, then retaliating against it after a long period of warning is not "just like that".

Re:R.E.S.P.E.C.T. (5, Funny)

damian cosmas (853143) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496490)

"Somehow I don't think it's wise to do such circumvention if you want to stay there short-term/long-term/permanently."

Actually, that seems like one of the easiest ways to stay there permanently.

In Communist China... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496319)

Web sites visit You!!

woo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496321)

woohoo!

Let me get this straight (1)

fataugie (89032) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496322)

You want your cake and to eat it too?

Have a good time!

Re:Let me get this straight (1)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496420)

I thought you said

"You want your Cat and to eat it too?"

Considering its a china that would be on topic:-)

Re:Let me get this straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496421)

WTF? Out.

Re:Let me get this straight (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496436)

You want to have your cake but not eat it? I hate to think what you do want to do with it...

First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496323)

How about ability to first post.

Missing obvious point? (2, Insightful)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496326)

This may be obvious to most people (I sure have missed obvious things in the past), but some background as to why you're thinking of moving to China might put your question into proper context.

Here's the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496497)

Like most Chinese nowadays... get a job... China's high tech sector booming. A lot of Chinese high tech workers have left Ottawa, Canada after Nortel started their layoffs. Why stay in a country that doesn't have any jobs that suits your education?

Proxy? (2, Informative)

taoxek (749272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496332)

Maybe you can access a proxy and view through it?

Re:Proxy? (2, Insightful)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496370)

Maybe you can access a proxy and view through it?

That's what I did when I was on vacation in Communist Vietnam.

Problem is, I couldn't post anything on Slashdot because it disallows posting through proxies.

You can still read everything that's posted though.

Re:Proxy? (2, Informative)

greechneb (574646) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496410)

I'd find someone who would be willing to allow ssh access to a machine of their own here in the states. Tunnel everything through ssh. I mean EVERYTHING, down to the last bit. I've never been to China, nor do I plan to anytime in the near future, but from what I have read about their censorship, any precaution you can take is a good one. Encrypted file systems, encrypted transmissions, all good.

Good luck if you do go, and perhaps you can post back to slashdot to let us know what it is really like behind the great firewall.

Hehe (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496333)

I think I'd rather get caught running drugs in Mexico and end up in a Mexican prison than attempt what you're suggesting and get caught.

I have said it before, and I will say it again (1, Insightful)

YankeeInExile (577704) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496336)

I wish you luck, but do keep one thing in mind.

Be very cautious when tormenting a power-structure that has few qualms with making you vanish in the dead of night.

The Chinese government is not going to send you a polite subpoena and meet you in a clean courtroom some months down the road like the *AA where you will be given access to effective counsel and a more-or-less fair shake.

Instead, if they catch you circumventing the Great Firewall of China they may descend upon you in the night and drag you off to a dank prison for reeducation.

Re:I have said it before, and I will say it again (1)

Hinkkanen (536643) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496405)

In China you are guilty until proven innocent. Good luck

Re:I have said it before, and I will say it again (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496412)

So... you don't think Gitmo is like that at all?

If you haven't noticed, America has changed significantly since 9/11. And that doesn't necessarily mean in a good way. Unless you like that sort of thing.

You watch too much TV (0)

tgd (2822) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496414)

There is a very strong anti-Chinese movement within the US, in particular, that tends to dramatically misportray the way things are there.

And as another post, that bizarrely got moderated funny, said... its targeted at citizens, not at foreigners.

Re:I have said it before, and I will say it again (1)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496416)

Yeah, I tend to agree that you might need think a little harder about what the consequences of such actions would be. It's not like we're talking about a move to Denver here... we're talking about a move to an opressive country that has human rights issues and tight government control.

I recommend extreme caution.

Frist P0st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496337)

Frist P0st

easy to circumvent the surveillance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496339)

It's easy to get around the fire

Free Web Hosts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496340)

Different free webhosts get blocked from time to time. Geocities, etc...

Urm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496341)

Uhm, I don't think "cracking firewalls" is the correct political movement people should create to get over their gonverment's policy.

Tsunami Song (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496342)

There was a time, when the sun was shining bright

So I went down to the beach to catch me a tan.
Then the next thing I knew, a wave 20 feet high
Came and washed your whole country away.
And all at once, you can hear the screaming chinks.
And no one was saved from the wave.
There were Africans drowning, little Chinamen swept away.
You can hear God laughing, 'Swim you bitches swim.'

So now you're screwed. It's the tsunami,
You better run and kiss your ass away. Go find your mommy.
I just saw her float by, a tree went through her head.
And now your children will be sold. Child slavery.

(Does anyone have a mp3?)

"Freedom" in China (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496347)

is pronounced "fleedom".

ok (2, Funny)

MasTRE (588396) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496348)

> I'm considering a move to China next year.

Sorry, I stopped reading after that.. Good luck, you'll need it!

Nothing wrong here . . . (5, Funny)

SupremeTaco (844794) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496350)

No sir you are wrong. There is NO censorship here in China, none at all! Yes siree, everything is free and open. As we say here in Chi

If you're a foreigner... (4, Insightful)

keesh (202812) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496351)

...they don't care. Nearly all of this censorship is only aimed at chinese citizens, and then only those that happen to be a convenient PR target. Unless you start actively trying to overthrow the government or anything daft like that, they're not interested.

Re:If you're a foreigner... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496452)

How is the parent funny?

No help from US (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496353)

Just so you know, the US won't fight to get you out of prison like other countries do for their own nationals. Have fun!

In this case, they shouldn't (2, Interesting)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496467)

When you're in a foreign country, you're obliged to obey their rules. Accidentally violating some custom/rule and winding up in jail is one thing, but when you go to a country and violate their laws willfully and with premeditation there is no reason at all why the US should expend its diplomatic resources saving your sorry ass.

If you don't like their rules, don't move there.

-Blocked Site- (1, Insightful)

wbechard (830613) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496356)

Unfortunately, you will likely get few responses from anyone in China, as Slashdot is a news site, and news sites are forbidden.

Shut the fuck up you fucking fuck (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496358)

You want freedom? Don't move to China. Don't think you can go over there and circumvent their laws because you are from somewhere else. They'll put a bullet after beating the cost out your ass.

Have fun (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496360)


So basically your question is stating "I'm going to China and expect to be able to break their laws as I was fortunate enough to be born in a more free society."

Don't whine to the foreign media when you're jailed as a subversive influence.

What you haven't considered (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496362)

is that perhaps slashdot is already blocked in China?

and if it's not, you're going to be making people living in china talk about restricted sites... which will probably be monitored by the chinese government since we're not over ssl, and great, you just made the chinese govt more suspicious of those people.

"Get Around" the censorship? (3, Insightful)

DoorFrame (22108) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496363)

Do you really want to consider "getting around" the censorship. It's not like they're playing a game over there. They're not setting up challenges for the techno-elite to figure out how to access Slashdot from being the Great Firewall of China. It's not like "Gosh, I can use a proxy! I can tunnel... they'll find this very clever and I'll be able to do whatever I want."

You'll be breaking the law.

In China.

Are you a big fan of breaking the law in general? Are you a big fan of spending days, weeks, or years in a Chinese political prison? Do you like having your legs unbroken?

I would highly recommend against going to China with a plan of "Getting around" the censhorship. It's not just a technological hurdle to overcome, it's the law. And as a general policy, you don't want to be breaking the law in foreign countries. Their jails aren't as nice as ours.

Re:"Get Around" the censorship? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496425)

Do you like having your legs unbroken?

Yes actually, if they were broken I would very much like to unbreak them.

Re:"Get Around" the censorship? (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496433)

And as a general policy, you don't want to be breaking the law in foreign countries. Their jails aren't as nice as ours.

...Except in Missouri. [slashdot.org]

You have problems with the government? (5, Funny)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496364)

and while I have just as many problems as y'all do with the government

What kind of problems? Did you sell military secrets to the Chinese?

Re:You have problems with the government? (3, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496456)

GP: and while I have just as many problems as y'all do with the government

P: What kind of problems? Did you sell military secrets to the Chinese?

Wait... so, he says he has just as many problems with the government as you do, and you ask him if he's committed espionage and treason?

What did you do?!

In case of no more replies.. (1)

naitro (680425) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496371)

[..] what are the websites, search engines, news sites, and other sites that are classed as potentially 'dangerous' material?

Well, slashdot.org for one.

Communism (1)

Vandil X (636030) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496372)

As an American, I'm not familiar with living under Communist rule, but I'm pretty sure that the penalties of trying to circumvent Chinese government-controlled limitations are probably more severe than those of the United States.

Same black-suited guys emerging from black vans. Where they take you and what they do to you/treat you is a whole, 'nother thing.

The way I've seen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496373)

1. Dress up like a Dragon and sneek into the public square.

2. For deeper infiltration you can dress as a woman and climb the wall with a sash.

(See Mulan for more information).

Necessity.. (3, Funny)

pploco (694950) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496375)

Why do you think China has some of the best hackers in the world? The "necessity is the mother ...." comes to mind.

Takedown notice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496376)

"Please give me instructions on subverting the most populated country on the planet."

Talk about attracting attention.

It's relative (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496378)

What you call censorship is relative depending on who you ask. But one thing I can guarantee you is that China's most expensive city (Shanghai) is way cheaper than a comparable US city.

It's needed.. (1)

priestx (822223) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496379)

China wants a part of the tech. world. They've gained the respect of being the largest bootleg and spammers in the world, and the censorship will give them some credit to a bright tech china. Or just a Japanese wannabes. All considered, it's needed.

Re:It's needed.. (1)

i41Overlord (829913) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496462)

They've gained the respect of being the largest bootleg and spammers in the world, and the censorship will give them some credit to a bright tech china. Or just a Japanese wannabes. All considered, it's needed.

I love it when someone tries to justify censorship. As in, "no need to make your mind up for yourself".

Try this to avoid censorship... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496382)

What methods and technologies are you aware of or use to circumvent the Great Firewall of China?

Easy: Stay in the fucking USA.

Another way to avoid censorship: (1)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496460)

Stay off Michael Sims' shitlist.

Better Yet (5, Funny)

fenris_23 (634852) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496387)

Why don't you move to China and do all of those things while maintaining a blog of your adventure. Thus, if your blog suddenly disappears or is abandoned, then we will know for sure what happens in China when you do those things..

freenet (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496388)

Try freenet .

And the dragon comes in the night? (1, Interesting)

Daravon (848487) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496390)

Whoa! Did he just ask for people to openly admit what technologies they're using to bypass a strict government firewall? Granted on Slashdot you'll end up with a lot of theories, but actually phrasing you question in a way meant to try to get Chinese law breakers to not only admit that they're breaking the law but to also share the method being used to break the laws......the mind boggles.

To help fit in (4, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496392)

To help fit in when you go to China, I suggest you participate in one of their native religions [leidenuniv.nl] . This will help you get along great in your new home.

another troll post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496396)

what is the point of this, seriously? It appears Solo Han is asking for advice on committing illegal activities in China.

People ought to obey the laws of the country to which they are moving to. If you don't like the laws, don't move there.

The one question you have to ask yourself is. (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496397)

Is the danger of getting around the censors worth it? Do you have a family? How do you feel about going to a Chinese prison?
I do not know what the legal climate in China is but you may want to think about about it very carefully. What risk will you be putting yourself and or your family if you get caught? It could be as little as a polite warning or getting run over by a tank.

is the censorship that real? (1)

DeusExMalex (776652) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496398)

pay no attention to the fact that i'm writing down all these techniques on bypassing our - i mean their security and finding ways to make our - i mean their censorship more difficult - i mean easy to get around. nevermind the fact that the people providing these services will all be dissapearing soon...

I'd tell you, but.... (3, Funny)

geekd (14774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496399)

What methods and technologies are you aware of or use to circumvent the Great Firewall of China

I'd tell you, but then they'd have to kill me.

-geekd

obvious... (1)

m33p (635261) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496401)

If you've got ssh and access to a server outside of china the rest should be pretty obvious...

tor.eff.net? (3, Informative)

guanno (597251) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496404)

I wonder if tor works from inside the great firewall of China. Any Chinese folks who've tried it and care to comment?

Consequences (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496408)

"This brings me to my overall question: is the censorship that real, that hard to get around, and how do you do it?"

If you're going to ask this, shouldn't also be wondering about the consequences if you do any of these things? Otherwise how will you make a reasonable judgement on whether it's worthwhile or not?

Think for a second (1)

Rii (777315) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496417)

So you're asking Chinese citizens that break the law to post how they do it? Not only does that put them at risk, but it makes it easier for the government to stop, depending on their method.

A word of advice (1)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496419)

to the poster: You really think that asking that...here...will get you reasonable advice...that will still work in one year?

to the answerers: You really think that responding will help anybody? This is one of the few cases where security through obscurity is a very good option.

If you're still going to answer, make sure to Post Anonymously.

Extremely bad idea to even try circumventing it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496422)

No offence but really you should NOT be trying to break the law in China. Despite what you may think, the US consulate is not going to try to come to your rescue.

China's pretty swift with punishment and you could either be rotting in prison for a very long time, or your family could be stuck with a 5 yuan bill for the bullet used in your execution.

Probably the only way you could get around it is to NOT use the Chinese system for your internet. Which would mean something pretty drastic like a satellite phone if those even still work anymore.

Best way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496424)

is to not move there for good. Visits are okay, but live there... no thanks. (yes, I've been to mainland China many times... it's a wonderful country and wonderful people, but a shitty government)

Go in March... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496427)

Because as we all know:

"Freedom is on the march".

Har har har.

more important sims 2 or your life/freedom ? (1)

jnf (846084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496429)

While I've never been to China and never directly experienced their security, I cannot speak on it. However I can speak a little about respecting other countries laws- and its not so much respecting it because you agree with it, but more respecting it because you will find yourself in a nice chinese prison if you don't. Simply put, while the US justice system has a lot of problems- its still a cake walk compared to many countries, things you may take for granted, i.e. right to a trial, right to an attorney, etc may not necessarily hold true in another country. In addition to that, its very american of us to goto other countries and expect the same standards. We do that a lot, but thats not really the point- overall I am just saying 'sure you could probably get around it, but we are also talking about a country with gross human rights violations so you must consider which is more important to you, sims 2 or your life'. Nevermind if you are religious or anything else.

elgooG (2, Informative)

marsu_k (701360) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496432)

I haven't tried this myself as I've never been in China, but I've heard that searches via elgooG [alltooflat.com] would effectively bypass "the great firewall". Just a rumour for me though. Could anyone verify this?

Why violate their culture? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496437)

If you have a problem with Chinese policies and laws, moving there with the express intention of breaking them is probably not the best solution.

Perhaps you should reconsider moving to Hong Kong, or Taiwan or some other place in Asia where you can get a similar cultural experience without having to go against the culture's laws, values and mores. While you may value freedom of foo above all else, it's culturalist and wrong to try to impose that on all others. What if Chinese immigrants to America held your same principles to heart, and tried to remake your society, through illegal and covert means, to resemble theirs? Would that sit well with you?

Asking for it! (3, Interesting)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496438)

You're just looking to get yourself into trouble, aren't you. You know they have censorship there. You know people get arrested in crackdowns. Yet you want to go over there, while not playing by their rules. This is edging close to a Troll.

Obviously some people break the rules, use outside proxies not yet blocked by the government, and get access to prohibited information. I've been there, three times. I know some of this. And I don't recommend it. If caught, and lucky, you'll just be thrown out of the country. It can be worse.

The question you should be asking yourself is: Just how much do I want to have a long, happy, and enjoyable time living in the PRC?

Why not try living like a real Chinese citizen for a few months just to see what it's like? Why else go, if you're only trying to live your Western-style life just in a new location?

Celestial Kingdom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496439)

Try Middle Kingdom you insensitive clod!

Possible Solution (2, Interesting)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496440)

Instead of moving to Mainland China, move to Taiwan?

Thats it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496444)

...now /. is banned.

I love self-solving problems... (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496448)

If any Chinese citizens can post here to tell you how, then the Great Firewall isn't really a problem, is it?

Re:I love self-solving problems... (1)

bcattwoo (737354) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496501)

Maybe the poster is actually a Chinese official looking for holes in their set up? The first thing I thought when reading this was if someone did know a good way around the censorship, would posting it on the internet really be a smart thing to do?

Yorkle! Yorkle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496451)

<Temporary pause in the annoying funny game of yorkeling the lot of slashdotters>

You are dumb.

<End pause>

YORKLE!

freedom gone (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496453)

Having lived there, well

a) hope you know chinese

b) public interenet, cds, etc. is OK, and there may be more there than is let on. Note: they banned this because it's already out.

c) there are proxies that will let you circumvent, but they will know you did that. It's a moving target game.

other notes
- self censorship challenges; Americans (I'm one) are loud and boisterous. Like to challenge boundarys and assumptions. That's not their culture and frowned upon.

Basically, it's going to be different, and depends entirely where you are in that vast ranging country.

What !?!?! (2, Insightful)

ChiGodOfKarma (829932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496457)

I am concerned for your safet. I wouldn't recommend circumventing anything. When you live in a PoliceState (Communist or Fascist) a Western style prank like hacking will land you in prison for life. They will lock you in a room and throw away the room. If you want to read the news I recommend you move to a place with even a small bill of rights.

How can you ask, and still be planning to go? (2, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496459)

what are the things that those of you in the Celestial Kingdom know you cannot access, and specifically, what are the websites, search engines, news sites, and other sites that are classed as potentially 'dangerous' material?

If you even have to ask these questions, you're hopelessly naive, and will be eaten alive by the place to which you're headed. What, did you think that all that scary talk about being arrested and jailed for your opinions (or for even visiting web sites where you can read someone else's opinions) was just Republicans trying to make socialists look bad? It's real!

I'd be astounded if there's a single "legal" reader of this web site in China at all. Now, while it still lasts, you might consider moving to Taiwan.

you can get around it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496461)

Circumventing the limitations will lead to you being deported as soon as possible.

That is if you are caught.

I myself have been avoiding detection for many years. The best way to access the outside is by connecting to oiu2513sf

Beware of the Peoples BSOD (5, Funny)

GatesGhost (850912) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496463)

and dont use the people's explorer of internet. But i hear the chinese food there rocks (or as they call it there, 'food')

Censorship.....Bah! (5, Informative)

fenix99 (801475) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496464)

I recently spent the better part of a year living in Guangzhou followed by a few months in Chengdu. As for Porn, it was being sold on the streets. I found there to be no real enforcing of any of these "bans" the central government keeps talking about. The conry is actually very free on a day to day basis, as long as you don't bring religion or something similar into a School you're teaching at, you're ok

Sort of off-topic (1)

mollog (841386) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496469)

I regard the government of China as being in a situation like Iraq and Afganistan; democracy won't work there. So, 'freedom of speech' is not a viable concept. The Chinese have to be careful about what they allow or chaos will result. Example, they were on a path to overpopulation until their government imposed some rules. I'm sure this will start a bitter debate, but I think the Chinese should not be interfered with, especially not the way we destabilized Iraq.

Falun Gong (2, Funny)

ponds (728911) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496470)

Just be sure to talk about Falun Gong wherever you go in China, and they'll love you.

Adios Amigo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496475)

If you really want to try and circumvent their firewalls, Good Luck. Remember you would be in their country and from what I read, their record on rights is not the best. But, its okay, I'm pretty sure nobody would recognize any of your organs when they show up on the black market for surgeries.

can we mark this ask slashdot as TROLL (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496481)

Wow, this has got to be the worst ask slashdot question ever. First we make cracks at the US government for no real reason other then to do so, then you go on to talk about wanting to move to china.

Come on lets get real and discuss the news and something we can do something about and know about. Normally ask slashdots are interesting, this just has troll spelled all over it.

Phil

tunnel (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11496483)

a basic freebsd jailed server or UML server for $20 /month, log into text mode brower via ssh, assuming your using very slow connection. For broadband, could even run remote X11 brower via ssh -X

Freedom of religion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496491)

In the US, it's rare for Christians to be beaten or imprisoned for reading the Bible, gathering in fellowship, singing worhsip songs, giving sermons, or sharing their faith.

This is a sting! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11496498)

Nice try Mao, but you won't get us to reveal what dangerous websites we use so you can shut them down.

Better luch next time

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