Where Do You Go For Linux Training? 84
Spritzer writes "I work for a rather large corporation with multiple divisions around the world. Nearly all user computers in the company are Windows systems, and there is no plan to move to Linux in the future. However, a good many of our products are now designed to run on Linux systems for security and stability purposes. Obviously, the design/development teams are knowledgeable in the use of Linux operating systems. Unfortunately my field service teams are not, and their is no in-house training program. This has begun to affect our ability to provide efficient, quality service to customers when in the field. So, we need training and would prefer to stay away from online, self-paced courses and get our people some hands on training with an instructor. What training services have you used in the past to get people trained in the basics of using?"
Red Hat offers hands-on training (Score:5, Informative)
https://www.redhat.com/training/ [redhat.com]
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The hands-on nature of training for and achieving RHCT is ideal for staff who are likely troubleshooting systems they themselves did not set up.
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When I (some time ago, now) moved from Red Hat to Slackware at home, a lot of the basic commands I had learned for things like network setup turned out to be Red Hat specific tools. How does LPI fare in that regard?
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Since RedHat's development courses impressed me, I'd recommend considering their sysadmin courses for your purpose. Albeit, there is the issue that they will certainly be more RedHat centric in their teaching,
SCALE in Feb! (Score:2, Interesting)
Where? (Score:1, Insightful)
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Google (Score:2, Funny)
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I go to the man (Score:5, Insightful)
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I personally bought 1 book, used Google a lot and dug through man pages to learn. Figuring out things for themselves is the key.
A training company will teach them a few things and they'll come out knowing enough to be dangerous. Give them a virtual server on their computer of what they'll be working with (show them how to backup the image and restore it on their own) and then give them a few scenarios that you all get on a normal basis. After they break the machine within 20 minutes (rm -r *...SHIT!), restore it and they'll start learning to be more careful.
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Nice idea with the virtual machine to make restoration easy. VMWare even has a snapshot ability, so when you shut down the machine you can restore the last snapshot if you screwed something up.
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-- ' mc ' is your friend when deleting files...
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or alias rm="mv -i
or tell the user just to use the bloody trash can
Ben
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Where else?
Ask Slashdot, of course!
Empirically (Score:4, Insightful)
Same goes for Linux. The only reason I know how to use it (fairly) well is because I've been using it for a few months.
I suggest you have your teams just start trying stuff and looking online (I know, I know) for reference.
Eddie
You must be kidding! (Score:5, Insightful)
I would definitely suggest getting some formal (read *real*) training. As others have stated in the thread, there are lots of Linux certification programs. What companies usually do (at least the ones I have been which does not have a lot of money to send 100 monkeys to learn about X or Y technology) is to choose 2 or 3 people and send them to take a course and certificate on the technology (some kind of Linux administrator cert. on http://www.lpi.org/ [lpi.org] for example) and then arrange some time to let these guys teach the other people in your place. That way you will have a structured plan of learning.
Of course you may want to have practical sessions (to "try stuff and look online") but you will know what to try and look. I can just imagine a chemist going to the laboratory to "try stuff" in order to learn about the effects of nitroglycerin when combined with different reactants...
If you are a lone consultant, sure just google your way to get this new set of knowledge (of course do not get pissed of when the guy who has the Red Hat Certified Engineer cert. gets your job...). But for big companies, you'd better get real training (to justify the time/money you will be spending).
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Everything else is just monkey see monkey do.
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But I guess I see your point...Maybe we can agree there is a rather large gray area between
training and education?
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[note to self - patent that]
It's really quite simple (Score:5, Funny)
(It's a joke. Laugh)
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All right! Typical Linux user attitude. We need to laugh at it since it's an open source joke, not because it's funny, right.
(It's an OS. Use it.)
Now that's a joke too, but you may chose whether to laugh at it, or go sell yourself to the networks and watch some quality comedy
One Place to Go (Score:1, Funny)
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Why is this modded funny? This is damn straight advice. 5 years ago I had a short term contract to write some QT stuff on Linux. I think it was redhat. I hadn't used Linux before but I read the manual that was in a PDF file and away I went. Most of the stuff you need to know to get around Linux is in the manual. It's not that hard. Like what did people do when the first got their hands on a C64 or Amstrad 6128 or an Amiga 500? They read the manual. How did people learn to use Lotus 123? They read the manual
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Formal training won't teach you everything, but it can help you troubleshoot common problems and give you a framework for approaching other ones. One of the most difficult problems I had while learning Linux was getting a feel for which combination of search terms (inside a manual or on
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In a business environment, it's not the end user's job to RTFM. It's the end user's job to DHFW (Do His/Her Fucking Work). The technical staff should have set up the user workstation so that everything they need is easy to accessible and anything they could possibly do to fuck it up is locked down and disabled.
For a home hobbyist, telling him RTFM is fine (especially if you include helpful hints, like telling him to lookup 'du' for directory size or 'man -k' to find commands, or refer him to the
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--I kicked them to the curb for stupidity, and went with Suse (7.3, IIRC. Textmode YAST was surprisingly good, and they even had a frontend for LVM.) When support for that finally died, I went with Knoppix hdinstall, and finally settled on Debian / Ubuntu variants.
--However, hanging about on the Vmware forums, I saw consistently good recommendations for Centos (RH Enterprise source-based.) 4
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IBM (Score:3, Informative)
Re:IBM for Free (Score:4, Informative)
Re:IBM (Score:4, Insightful)
In my opinion the best way of learning Linux is to get a "dull bleeding edge" distribution like Fedora or even OpenSuSE and install it on a laptop. I will guarantee you are going to have issues however there are many forums that can help. In doing this you will either learn or just give up in disgust and if this is the case you can forget about the "bleeding edge" distributions which would be the next logical step after feeling comfortable with something like Fedora.
When picking a forum to subscribe to pick one that is about the same level or just a little higher (can be hard to judge) as your current expertise but please don't go to the advanced forums and bug the people there. In fairness to advanced users who will say "RTFM first" they are more interested in advanced or complex issues than trying to help a new user who wants to know how to "list files". Visualise yourself in the position of someone who has all the kids in the neighbourhood coming round to ask you how do you add 2 plus 2 and you can see why an advanced user is standoffish to new users.
Please note there are a huge number of Linux distributions, some easier and others harder to maintain. Just about all are almost boring to install. You do need to do some reading (ie RTFM before asking) and decide what path you wish to follow, keeping in mind that if one distribution does not work or is too hard for you there are many others that may be more suitable and the cost to you is minimal.
If you want to work on commercial Linux try CentOS which basically is Redhat. The latest version now has Xen setup to make virtualization much easier so you can play with more unstable distributions without having to blow away your base OS.
From what I have read and heard Ubuntu is the most stable Linux for the desktop. This is a excellent way of having a stable base OS and you can still use Xen to install and play around with other Linux distributions. I have heard that you can even install Open Solaris under Xen and this can be a very marketable skill in the future.
Oracle University Offers Linux Training (Score:3, Informative)
All the classes I have taken from them have been for the database, or Peoplesoft. They all were built around hands on labs with instruction. They are not cheap. My last RAC class cost $3700 for 5 days.
I can't recommend the Linux classes, as I have never taken them, but just thought I would mention that they are out there. I don't know about availability location wise either, but I would assume that eventually they will be available wherever Oracle training is available - which should mean choices in many countries.
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Along with that, for example in the RAC class, I wasn't just paying for the lecture. In the labs we installed the software, built a cluster, messed around with the cluster and a number of other things that I don't think would be
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The thing with the labs that I thin
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A lot of people I've talked to in the classes are not seeking certification though- they just want to learn what is in the class. My boss wants me certified, but to be honest - I think it is only because he thinks it is im
man(1) (Score:2, Insightful)
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On the other hand, part of me thinks I really should do some official training to get certifications before starting a serious job-hunt. I really ought to go back to school and get a bachelor's degree, but there's so much time & money required for it that I don't want to. There are of course simpler test-certifications, some of which I could pass w/out needing any additional training, but while they don't require as much time, I'm still too much of a cheapskate to be comfortable paying for them, especially as they aren't worth as much as a B.S.
This has gotten a bit longer than I intended, really all I intended was to agree that for learning, reading easily obtained free documentation is usually enough; but for useful employment-wise credentials, I get the feeling they're almost worthless.
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Get to like rice (Score:5, Insightful)
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LinuxZoo (Score:3, Informative)
Well, I don't know if it's pertinent, but LinuxZoo [linuxzoo.net] can be helpful when you wanna learn..
Linux Professional Institute (Score:2, Informative)
the basics... (Score:1)
O'reilly books...
But if you are wanting a broad knowledge you really need baptism by fire...
whether fed by a fire hose @ some intense 5day course or setting up an internal server that houses live services that everyone uses...and you get to figure out how to make it all play nice...
hands-on is the only way to go...with 'man' pages at your fingertips & google for backup...
TIC (Score:2, Informative)
First ask the salespeople what OSs customers use (Score:1)
Re:First ask the salespeople what OSs customers us (Score:2)
Linux User Groups (Score:2)
I also know that a lot of companies are forming their own LUGS, so perhaps it would be a good idea to start one at
RTFM! (Score:1)
Hi (Score:1, Troll)
Starnix in Canada and the North-East (Score:3, Informative)
--dave
As the linux fanboys will tell you (Score:2)
OK, done ranting. Just tired of the "use a forum or wiki for all your support needs" crowd.
College (Score:2)
Linux and Unix Certifications links (Score:2)
Community College (Score:2)
They can supplement this with any online materials on a specific distro.
Commercial Security and Sysadmin training (Score:1)
(Disclaimer: I teach the following courses) SANS [sans.org] has two 6-day courses on Linux and Unix; Linux System Administration (track 408) [sans.org] and Securing Linux and Unix (track 506) [sans.org]. Both are hand-on courses that require laptops. The first focuses on system administration, the second on hardening and security, with a small amount of overlap. --Bill
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I hate tech snobbery as much as the next guy. (Score:1)
Hire them (Score:2)
(It's a joke, kinda.)
Seriously though -- if the skill-set of the Field Engineering staff doesn't match the products anymore, you *might* have some culling to do. They can learn Linux on their own.
If they're not learning it on their own already, it might be a sign that they're not interested. Find people that are.