Ask Slashdot: Typing Advice For a Guinness World Record Attempt? 307
An anonymous reader writes "In fifth grade, I amazed my fellow classmates when I demonstrated what 132 words per minute looked like. Recently, an acquaintance of mine saw me typing out a word document for graduate school and was impressed by my typing abilities. He suggested that I seriously contemplate attempting a Guinness World Record with such abilities. At the moment, I can manage an average of about 155-160 words per minute, with bursts around 180-185 words per minute (in the typing world, five characters defines a word, in case you were wondering). That aside, I have a few questions to pose to Slashdot readers (whom I am sure have been typing much longer than I have): What are some tips to fully maximize one's ability to type at the fastest possible rate? Do you have any specific keyboard recommendations that will improve my speed? Has anybody here ever competed in a typing event or thought about going for the world record? Is it worth learning Dvorak for the sole purpose of attempting such a record? How difficult would it be to improve my typing abilities from where they are now to where they need to be to acquire such a record?"
Bad place to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Interesting)
Programmers and IT workers are actually rather bad typist.
Just because we are on a computer all day... It doesn't mean we are typing all the time, we are Programmers not data entry. If we end find that we are typing too much we write a program to do it for us.
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Interesting)
He, and I thought I was crazy. When typing fast, every time I try to write "serve", my hands automatically type "server". Every single time.
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every time I try to write "serve", my hands automatically type "server"
try typing "Linus" sometime!
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If he can't beat that just by pressing keys as if typing at max speed but without caring for correctness, then dvorak isn't going to help him.
Lastly, I wonder if there are rules against the use of performance enhancing drugs for typing world records
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because they couldn't type one word and then go and look up something in another window or anything.
By that metric I type about 1 word a hour - given how many times I've not pressed enter and have hence been responding for about 14 hours until I press enter the next day.
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Do you know what "by that metric means"?
Or do you think I posted that slashdot comment from an IM client?
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Well normally, when I have to IM, I will tend to go back and re filter my response.
For example...
You: The system is down.
Me: It has been up all day check your pc. ^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M^M Let me check, maybe something is of.
You: Let me know it when it is back up.
Me: ok. (I go and find and fix the problem) It should be good now.
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Well normally while they are typing one sec, they are busy looking up the issue. They would prefer to have the answer right after you asked them. But they wanted to check it out. So they may have instinctively tried to answer your question... Then went to double check thus the delay in typing...
Just because the IM is saying they are typing a response it doesn't mean they are busy typing in a response.
Heck In the middle of this response, I had to stir my lunch that is in the microwave.
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
Um Yeah (Score:3)
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Insightful)
We use an instant messenger product at work, and the programmers often use it to ask me questions. I will spend about 20-30 seconds to type a 4-6 sentence response. They will take 2 minutes to respond with 4-5 words. BTW, you can see when they are responding, so I know they are typing the entire time.
It's called editing.
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Nah, the managers use the messenger at work, we programmers like to, you know, program.
We're typing the entire time, cause doctor.el is running in another buffer.
Only bugger is reading S
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It is funny though when somebody sees me typing at full speed not realising that autocompletion is increasing my output by a factor of 3-4. Also: Hacker Typer [hackertyper.net].
Re:Bad place to ask (Score:5, Funny)
Like I tell my wife, "I may not be good, but at least I'm fast!"
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There's 3 ways to make love!
Good, fast and cheap? Pick two?
Just wondering... (Score:2)
Dvorak bad (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't listen to the people who are invested and have learned to type on Dvoraks: scientific evidence shows that Dvorak is no better than a regular keyboard layout. So you will just be re-training yourself to be unable to type on QWERTY's and type slower on Dvorak's.
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Sais someone who obviously didn't take the time to learn him/herself Dvorak.
The only disadvantage i found - as Dvorak typer - is compatability with games. For any other purpose like typing text and programming, i like it and will never go back to qwerty. I'm not telling anyone they should learn Dvorak, i'm also not saying it's superior - it's a matter of personal taste. And yes, once you learn it you will notice it performs as promised. Also, these days Dvorak is thus widely accepted, that international key
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Another Dvorak disadvantage is that sometimes you type "simular" instead of "similar".
Re:Dvorak bad (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't be a dick.
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I'm Romanian. Your point is, again...?
Anyway, I was trying to be funny. Seems that the spirit of Christmas doesn't make people more receptive to jokes. Oh well...
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Colemak is much easier to learn with very similar letter frequency improvements. It only took me about a month to return to my original typing speed and then it just kept getting faster. Unfortunately colemak is not pre-installed in windows (even windows 7 doesn't have it), but Mac and every Linux distro have it.
If you learn colemak, then ever have to use a querty system, you will be absolutely astonished at home many of the most common keys you use are on the top and bottom rows in querty. In colemak ~80%
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How did you measure that? Maybe it's only 'better' because it's better in your mind (you went out, bought a keyboard, learned to type on it so you must have had a strong belief before you even started).
All empirical tests show Dvorak is no faster (PS: the myth that qwerty was designed to be slow is... a myth. Qwerty won several typing speed competitions before it was chosen).
There's claims that Dvorak reduces RSI but they're also unproven.
Re: Dvorak bad (Score:2)
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Don't start over with new layout (Score:3)
Regardless of the relative merits of Dvorak vs. Qwerty, there's absolutely no benefit in this situation in throwing out however-many years of muscle memory on one layout (which is absolutely critical to speed-typing), to start over learning a different layout.
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Yes, which is only useful for reducing repetitive strain injuries, and there are better keyboard layouts than Dvorak for that.
Really? Name one. and please include links..
Hepl offreed (Score:5, Funny)
PS2 VS USB? (Score:5, Funny)
PS2 VS USB?
what one can handle faster input?
Re:PS2 VS USB? (Score:5, Funny)
Do they have USB 3.0 keyboards yet? That could handle millions or words per minute...
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One BILLION words.
Re:PS2 VS USB? (Score:5, Funny)
USB easily; a DualShock 2 controller is lousy for picking letters at any decent speed.
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Fortunately newer keyboards seem to have resolved that issue, or at least I can't seem to reproduce it o
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I know USB can't handle as many simultaneous key hits as PS/2.. but don't see how that would apply here.
This is only half true. The 6+4 simultaneous key limit is part of the HID boot protocol for keyboards, which is a restricted subset of the USB HID interface meant for limited environments such as the system boot firmware.
The full USB HID protocol has no such limits, but it seems that most keyboards only support the boot protocol for whatever reason.
Why is this posted AC? (Score:2)
Seriously as there are many people here (myself included) that do not respond to Anonymous Cowards. I would have thought the person doing this would want everybody to know who they are so that they will gain noteriety in the lead up to their attempt.
Very impressive numbers, but I would have thought there would be a YouTube video or somesuch which backed up the claim.
If I submitted as AC, would the editors accept my claim to my questions regarding my unusually long eyebrows, which irritate my eyes and I can
Re:Why is this posted AC? (Score:5, Insightful)
I've never had a Slashdot account, though I've been posting here for years. Your sort of bigotry is not nearly incentive enough.
I've had several dozen +5 first posts over the years, and have made a positive contribution to many discussions.
What does it matter what silly pseudonym is displayed above a good comment, or how many digits are in the number next to it?
Even if the submission is completely made up, the discussion will still be meaningful.
Now on topic: if the submitter's been typing QWERTY mad-fast since fifth grade or before, I find it hard to believe he can do any better with Dvorak.
Re:Why is this posted AC? (Score:5, Interesting)
Simple: In a discussion, I like to know if discussing with the same person, a different person, or with several people.
I also prefer some level of surety that the person I'm replying to might actually read it.
I do realize that logging in on /. offers no guarantee of either of these things, but it's a start.
Meanwhile, I killfile all reply notifications that come from Anonymous Cowards because doing so makes discussing things on /. feel more like conversing with humans instead of talking at a wall.
If I wanted an anonymous place to randomly comment on the world with no sense of personification, I'd just go over to pastebin and be ignored there instead.
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I've never had a Slashdot account, though I've been posting here for years. Your sort of bigotry is not nearly incentive enough.
I've had several dozen +5 first posts over the years, and have made a positive contribution to many discussions.
What does it matter what silly pseudonym is displayed above a good comment, or how many digits are in the number next to it?
Even if the submission is completely made up, the discussion will still be meaningful.
Hooray for your +5 posts, but i've also seen you say some really really stupid things over the years.
And all those nigger comments are _not_ appreciated.
Dvorak (Score:2)
I learnt it during a summer internship in about a week, and never looked back to qwerty. This is purely a preference, and I heard both positives (speed) and negatives (fingers don't move as much so causes more rep strain injuries). It def improved my overall typing speed, but caused some grief when using CTRL+ZXCV and also in various games with one hand on keyboard (usually switch back to qwerty for them). You won't have as much problem switching because you already got the motorics skills down, just need
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Question yourself - why do relative many people take effort to learn Dvorak, and a large amount of them state they don't want to go back? Is that because it's an inferior layout? Are all those people fooling themselves? Or could it be that 'qwerty is good enough too', and that a learning curve to another layout is long, and in the beginning, pretty steep?
Fallacious argument. This is like saying "Look at all the people converting to Uam and not changing to another religion afterward".
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That was meant to bs Islam not Uam.
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Question yourself - why do relative many people take effort to learn Dvorak, and a large amount of them state they don't want to go back? Is that because it's an inferior layout? Are all those people fooling themselves?
Post-hoc rationalisation. No-one likes to admit they've wasted weeks for nothing, and in more general terms people generally don't like admitting they're wrong about anything, and some will deny it until the cows come home.
I don't type on Dvorak because it's faster. I use it because i am _lazy_.
Then why did you bother learning it in the first place? Or were you raised in a strictly Dvorakian household?
You've got a ways to go (Score:4, Informative)
I'm a speedtypist as well (130-150WPM average, 160+ bursts) the issue that you will run into is that it gets incredibly hard to add the extra WPM, and last I checked your goal is above 200.
Good luck but you generally peak out eventually.
Mechanical Keyboard (Score:4, Interesting)
Try a keyboard with mechanical switches. They're a bit noisier than the cheap ones, but I find them much faster and I make fewer typos. My fingers also get less tired. You might be able to scrape out another percent or so.
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IMO the old MacBook Pro with the grey keys had the best keyboard ever.
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Sorry, I misread that ... I thought you said that I returned *to* my DAS keyboard.
A long time to maybe never. (Score:3)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_curve_effects [wikipedia.org]
Gaining a little bit if typing speed is easy, it's the ever increasing difficultly of getting faster and faster that can stretch training out for years.
Current Records (Score:5, Informative)
According to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute [wikipedia.org]
The fastest typing speed ever, 216 words in one minute, was achieved by Stella Pajunas in 1946 on an IBM electric.[6][7][8][9] As of 2005, writer Barbara Blackburn was the fastest English language typist in the world, according to The Guinness Book of World Records. Using the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard, she has maintained 150 wpm for 50 minutes, and 170 wpm for shorter periods. She has been clocked at a peak speed of 212 wpm.
One of the most notable online records considered genuine is 256 wpm (a record caught on video) on TypeRacer by American Sean Wrona, the inaugural Ultimate Typing Championship winner, which is considered the highest legitimate score ever set on the site.
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According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute [wikipedia.org]
The fastest typing speed ever, 216 words in one minute, was achieved by Stella Pajunas in 1946 on an IBM electric.[6][7][8][9] As of 2005, writer Barbara Blackburn was the fastest English language typist in the world, according to The Guinness Book of World Records. Using the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard, she has maintained 150 wpm for 50 minutes, and 170 wpm for shorter periods. She has been clocked at a peak speed of 212 wpm.
One of the most notable online records considered genuine is 256 wpm (a record caught on video) on TypeRacer by American Sean Wrona, the inaugural Ultimate Typing Championship winner, which is considered the highest legitimate score ever set on the site.
I guess I should go for the record then. The last time I took a typing class was in college. My car broke down, I had no way to get to school, so I had to drop 9 units of classes that were during a time of the day where I couldn't bum a ride from friends/family. I went below full time, and had to maintain full-time status so I took some typing classes, intro to word and excel, and other one-unit self paced classes at the library. If the software they used calculated the data right, I averaged over 150WP
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I see the 1 minute record is pretty much unbelievable, but the 5 minute record is attainable. PC based records were considered suspect by us old farts from the typewriter days, since the buffer and all that software got in the way of accurate recording. We would want to see a specially made keyboard without buffer, able to reliabley send 300+ wpm, and then software to record that. Which requires a whole different way of testing.
My mom could type 90+ steadily on an Olympia SG3, and older competitions usua
David Letterman (Score:2)
Confusious Say;... (Score:5, Insightful)
- Practice, Practice, Practice- --10,000,000 anonymous piano teachers
- See the ball, be the ball- --Chevy Chase in "Caddyshack"
- Use the force, Luke- --Obiwan Kenobi in , you know, that one show...
- Lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be- --Johnny Cash-- "Cocaine Blues"
What can I say, go for the record.
I had a friend, of simple mind and scheming disposition, who in his drifting sought donations to fund his time and sojourn to Ireland to demonstrate for Guinness his ability to bicycle backwards continually. For months he drifted around the country putting on exhibitions and demonstrations of his talent amassing quite a warchest. He traveled to Ireland, pretty much free of charge and being free of responsibility for months in pursuit of his dream. He did then bicycle around the Guinness buildings for 24 hours and change , setting the record. The next week a local Irish held the record. There are no losers in this story. Cheers and Happy Holidays!
I think you're asking the wrong crowd (Score:4, Insightful)
Dvorak has its detractors and fans. You'll likely get some who swear that only by using it can you achieve your goal and they will possibly cite some studies to back this up. Then others will cite their own studies that show that QWERTY is even faster than Dvorak. I've seen QWERTY vs. Dvorak religious wars here and I doubt that you'll come away convinced of anything.
Equivalent task? (Score:3)
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Just a nit, but clarinet is more like chording input -- multiple fingers change position at once.
How about the piano? Seems like the right hand part anyway is lots of individual notes.
OP should also look into finger-cooling technology.
Mechanical Keyboard (Score:2)
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+1
A good mechanical switch keyboard is the best thing you can do for your typing speed.
Hope this is useful... (Score:2)
I type for a living on a voice recognition system that handles medical reports for a large university hospital in a major metropolitan area in the Southeastern US. I can achieve an effective rate of 300-400 69-character lines per hour using a word expander program called Shortcut for Windows while editing voice recognized text. If our physicians are well scripted in their dictation, using the same phrases and format as usual, I can easily double that as I learn where the VR usually fails, move to those spot
Cherry Blue keyboard (Score:3)
If you want speed, the Cherry Blue keyboard switch is ideal. It requires only 55 grams of force to depress (compared to 70-90 grams for a buckling spring) and has a loud click and tactile feedback for when the keypress is detected. You don't need to bottom out the keys, though you can do so if you are used to it. The Blues are a bit loud if you are working near other people, but they are the perfect high-speed typing switch.
You have a high speed in QWERTY I presume, not DVORAK. I therefore recommend that you practice QWERTY for the record. You may have an innate ability to type fast, but you will be throwing away years of practice if you start with a new layout. Also, you will find yourself prone to errors on uncommon words when your muscle memory defaults to QWERTY on slightly-confusing words.
hand lotion... (Score:2)
The Speed Racer effect hampers documents... (Score:2, Funny)
"(in the typing world, five characters defines a word in the typing world, in case you were wondering)."
If you are in the typing world,
and you want to communicate
something in the typing wold,
and you can avoid repeating
items in the typing world,
you would have less time spent
typing about things in the typing world,
and then you would go through documents
really fast as you type then in the typing world.
GO SPEED RACER, GO!
Typing too fast... (Score:3)
Can cause errors like this:
You need someone to do analysis... (Score:2)
... on what are the main factors that drive your typing speed. I'd go find some smart people / physicists and get some data to figure out where you are weak (in typing) first and what possible avenues you could take.
my strategy (Score:2)
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maybe dvorak (Score:2)
I personally use the dvorak layout and love it, and I think it's certainly much easier to use and far lower stress. However, aside from individual cases, every study I'm aware of has concluded that dvorak doesn't actually improve to typing speeds. So while I personally think you should try it anyway, it might not help with this particular goal.
I switched to Dvorak this year (Score:3)
1. Your right pinkie is underdeveloped. With qwerty, your right pinkie doesn't do nearly as much typing as the rest of the fingers. Under Dvorak, it's new responsibilities will include 'S', one of the most used letters in the alphabet. In addition, 'L', question marks, 'Z', hyphens, and others. You will notice that your right pinkie being a bit of a bottleneck at first.
2. You'll be somewhat "dyslexic" when typing, as you learn Dvorak. I think this because each half of the brain have gotten used to always being in charge of a letter. The right side always handled 'S' for example, but now the left side will handle it. That's just one example, but you'll find yourself making weird typos until your brain gets used to the new layout.
3. Keyboard shortcuts will require some work. Things like Ctrl C, Ctrl V, etc are now undoable with your right hand. This was unacceptable to me, so I downloaded a custom keyboard layout called "US - Dvorak - QWERTY" that basically makes it so that when you hold down Ctrl, the keyboard is mapped as QWERTY again. This works pretty good 99% of the time. But keep in mind Windows doesn't have this built in.
4. The social aspect. One of the biggest 'challenges' to the new layout is the social aspect. People won't be able to just jump on your machine and start typing, and you won't be able to get anyone else's computer and type without looking at the keyboard, making typos, etc. If they don't know about your alternate keyboard, they may make the assumption that you don't know how to type, which can be a bit embarrassing. In addition, I hear growls from my wife when she starts typing on my computer, and realizes she needed to switch back to qwerty (which, thankfully, can easily be done from the taskbar with the language toolbar)
So, was the switch worth it? Yes. I'm still learning, but when I see others type, it almost looks ridiculous how their fingers are going crazy on the keyboard, smacking almost randomly. Whereas when I type, 70% of everything I write is done without my fingers ever leaving the home row
"It has been estimated that in an average eight-hour day, a typist's hands travel 16 miles on a QWERTY keyboard, but only 1 mile on a Dvorak keyboard."
"only 1 mile on a Dvorak keyboard"... (Score:2)
yeah, you have to keep looking to see where the keys are
I'm pretty sure that's not a record (Score:2)
In the late 1980's, I had occasion to meet a young woman who apparently had a typing speed of just under 180 words per minute. She had won several regional competitions on account of her skill (I imagine largely attributed to her youth... she was not even 20 years old at the time), but she did not hold the title of international record holder.
(To be frank, I don't even know if she or anybody else even bothered to check if she was a record holder or not. All she had ever told me in that regard is that s
use voice recognition (Score:4, Funny)
Then learn how to speed talk and use voice to text. You'll never type as fast as that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Words_per_minute#Speech_and_listening [wikipedia.org]
Good advice (Score:2)
Type as fast as you can!
DVORAK! (Score:2)
Yes, it is worth learning Dvorak just for such an attempt - but you will not be faster with it for at least a couple of weeks. It's worth learning Dvorak for many other reasons too - one of the most important being minimizing long-term wear and tear on your hands, which gets to be absolutely crippling at times if you aren't careful.
the record on a Royal manual is 240+ wpm (Score:2)
now, you can probably type as fast as lightning if the judges don't have to read your opus. writing is easy. reading is hard.
typrx racing site (Score:3)
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In the editing world, editors edit documents in the editing world in case you were wondering.
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In what world does 5 characters define a word?
When I took a typing class back in the mid-70's on an Underwood 5 manual typewriter, I do believe that a word was 5-characters -- and that does not include the space between the words. The standard is surely older than you are, whipper snapper.
--Richard
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Jokes are supposed to be funny.
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Re:I didn't catch that... (Score:5, Funny)
<movietrailervoice>"In a world where all words are five letters... one man can make the difference between brilliance and darkness..."</movietrailervoice>
"Innna world where allll words arrre fiive lttrs... onnne mannn cannn maake theee dfrnc betwn brlnc annnd drkns..."
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"Dear god why?"
Because, for the next few years, when somebody comments on his typing speed, he can say: "The book on the shelf to your right, page 165 says I'm the fastest in the world."
That's about it I guess.
Unless he can write a book about the process, like people climbing a mountain other other such fruitless endeavors.
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People have an inherent need to be first at "something". They are competitive, and that goes back in history to... the very beginning, I'd say.
There's a small hill near Sibiu in my country. On top of that hill there's a small church, built of stones and boulders. The hill itself is mostly made of earth, so the boulders had to be lifted there somehow. Now people wouldn't do that voluntarily so the Church somehow convinced them that in order to show how great their love is for their brides-to-be, they should
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I'm thinking this:
I type say 5K characters a day. That's a total of 18250000 characters a year.
If I type at the speed of 5 characters per second, just as a baseline, that's 3650000 seconds a year, almost 1014 hours spent typing every year. typing twice as fast would shave off 507 hours of focusing on typing, which I can spend on something else. I'd say it's definitely worthy.
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That would be funny if the range of an unsigned 8-bit integer wasn't [0, 255] ...
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That'd be relevant if the bit pattern 0x00 could not possibly be interpreted as, say, 1.
It could, but no sane cpu or programming language would.
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Depends; does ctrl+v count as 1 or 2 characters typed?
I manage some ~50 words per minute; better than most typists (I have been trained as one over 20 years ago), but not even remotely close to world record speeds.
Speed is of no use to a programmer, though the ability to type blindly and without requiring attention is. Being a trained typist means you can focus completely on the content without being distracted by the hunt-and-peck routine most programmers use.
DVORAK should help improve typing speed, but at
Re:Hello? Editors? (Score:5, Funny)
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in the typing world, five characters defines a word in the typing world, in case you were wondering
Redundant much?
Why do you think he needs to type so fast?
Re:Hello? Editors? (Score:4, Funny)